What were devs thinking when they made Monks?

[Troxx]

Originally Posted by Swish [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

A monk that won't pull or tries to "brb guys", "afk bio", "need to get a drink", etc... repeatedly to get out of pulling is a piece of trash in my opinion.

And for every other player who needs to brb, afk, or get a drink?

[Lhancelot]

Originally Posted by Swish [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

A monk that won't pull or tries to "brb guys", "afk bio", "need to get a drink", etc... repeatedly to get out of pulling is a piece of trash in my opinion.

This goes with any class being played by someone that doesn't try to perform at an appropriate level of effort.

Of course, this is subjective. What one person considers lazy another might consider normal.

I also wouldn't call someone "trash" because they don't perform at a level I feel is correct. I just view these types of players as typical, tbh.

Speaking on busy classes... Honestly I stopped playing a bard because I felt like I was doing ALL the work, with very little appreciation. I had made it to grouping finally, and had a large array of songs to use.

My problem was I seen "typical" players in all my groups. The ones that put about 50% or less effort into playing, while I was AE mezzing, single mezzing, pulling, TANKING, and then managing songs of people's choice when they were not happy with what I was twisting. It took about a week of this for me to decide people on this game are not worth carpal tunnel syndrome.

I don't think any class has anything on a bard when it comes to being busy. Including chanters. I can play chanter fine, manage a pet, CC, solo charm kill, etc. Bard is far busier.

My point is, I can't see monk being busier than a bard, or a chanter for that matter.

[aaezil]

Originally Posted by Swish [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

A monk that won't pull or tries to "brb guys", "afk bio", "need to get a drink", etc... repeatedly to get out of pulling is a piece of trash in my opinion.

The remedy if this keeps happening is for the group leader to say "okay" and drop them from the group, have someone else pull...and send him a tell saying to pst for an invite when he's back. It might sound harsh but it fixes up the slackers or makes them move on.

They know who they are, and there's more than a few out there [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Wow so swish is a total douche on the forums AND in game? Suspicions confirmed.

[Brut]

Monks were busted in Velious, nothing new. Some dev probably played one considering some of the questionable endgame item choices, such as most melees not getting any earring upgrades, but MNK is randomly slapped on Garzicor ear which is a priest class earring. Or how they just figured they might as well slap fungi regen on what is essentially PD robe for a monk exclusive chest piece, so they don't have to worry about which to wear. Or AoW legs that are prty absurd. Or how basically every item is ALL/ALL 0.0wt so monks don't even have to worry about the weight and can just take all the stuff warriors and such also have as their bestinslot.

They nerfed monks hard in Luclin, as they damn well deserved. Since we probably never have to tolerate moon kittie expansion here, monk supremecy reigns forever. Is why everyone and their grandma's third cat has an iksar monk littering their char select.

[Raavak]

Originally Posted by Brut [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Monks were busted in Velious, nothing new.

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They nerfed monks hard in Luclin, as they damn well deserved. Since we probably never have to tolerate moon kittie expansion here, monk supremecy reigns forever. Is why everyone and their grandma's third cat has an iksar monk littering their char select.

I thought I've heard that on Live during the tail end of Velious some guilds were using well-equipped monks to tank NToV. Their skill mostly is with not getting hit, and with SoD's and such hold aggro well. I'd think some unlucky "rolls" and *splat*. But, they are almost unstoppable.

[Jimjam]

Originally Posted by Raavak [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I thought I've heard that on Live during the tail end of Velious some guilds were using well-equipped monks to tank NToV. Their skill mostly is with not getting hit, and with SoD's and such hold aggro well. I'd think some unlucky "rolls" and *splat*. But, they are almost unstoppable.

Considering they had the same defence skills as warrior, and they were subject to the same worn ac cap in velious, they mitigated just as well... The only draw back was having above average hp instead of best hp :P.

[Axlrose]

To return to the original intention of the original poster, similar to what were developers thinking when they created monks, but did they intend for bards to "twist" their songs? I have always heard it was discovered by accident that playing three songs (or more) was not the intention.

[fadetree]

Ahem, Rangers. They got nerfed to death BEFORE the game went live. They were 'too OP'. They missed that part about Monks, apparently.

[Sonark]

Originally Posted by Trelaboon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Basically Monks trade Parry for Block, and then have a much higher Dodge skill cap than Warriors. While from a roleplay perspective, this makes sense, from a game mechanic perspective it sort of doesn't. The slight AC difference just doesn't seem to make up for the fact that Monks have higher defensive skill caps and a 30% mana free, fairly short cooldown self heal. To me it just seems crazy that during live they would have made a class that was so tanky while still being pretty damn good DPS. I'm also a little drunk and bored so this post may just be a product of that. Either way.....Classic EQ is a mysterious game sometimes.

I think I remember reading somewhere that Block is also a better skill than Parry, and not just being renamed versions of the same thing.

[Fragged]

Originally Posted by Sonark [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I think I remember reading somewhere that Block is also a better skill than Parry, and not just being renamed versions of the same thing.

I read that as well, the tests showed that it was about 3 times as effective. Mind you this is just going off memory.