New ToV rules

[Mblake1981]

Originally Posted by Ezrick [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It is absolutely true that WoW literally buried the original EQ in subscribers because literally everyone could raid. Those of us that did make the cut in EQ called it "EQ Lite" for many of the same reasons you list.

I was in a small family guild on BB server, its true, unless you were in the three top guilds you didn't see anything. It's one of the reasons I wanted to come back to EQ, a second chance to see all I missed. Just recently got to see VP for the first time. WoW helped establish the idea of "if you buy the game and pay a sub fee, you should be able to raid." and this was backed up by the playerbase on messageboards "I bought the game I am entitled to see all of the content".

It didn't feel L33T/Uber in year 2000 terms.

Originally Posted by Ezrick [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This idea that raiding was ultra competitive on Everquest live during it's original release is complete fiction. What P99 has become may appeal to some, but it certainly isn't the game being played in any way like it was ever intended.

I can't really speak on that from experience. I only remember Ring of Valor and Arch Overseers (decent guild names) getting into some drama a few times.

Originally Posted by Bardp1999 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

carebeary

Blue server

The only way to keep it L33T and tight like people remember is wiping the servers every 3-6 months. Release all three expansions at the same time and let the super dedicated get their server firsts, when most of us get 60 (because we are lame) then its time to wipe again, this will keep the L33T intact. I will not be playing because EQ requires that much time for a player like myself to get L33T, which defeats the purpose of L33T.

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[Arkanjil]

It’s an interesting, bold move. We’ll see how it pans out. The raid scene was just getting interesting with Tempest all but gone and Core/BG and AG competing in TOV full time. It’s unfortunate we didn’t get to enjoy that competition longer. We actually got along quite well with Tempest out of the picture.

It’ll be interesting to see how many people leave the server due to this, especially when other servers, like Classic WoW, comes out. I’ll keep playing here, like I have since the server started, but hope I don’t have too many pals leave over this change.

I give this iteration of raid rules 6 months before it’s changed again for some other rule set.

[Alanus]

Originally Posted by Ezrick [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Wow! You really drank the cool-aid didn't you.

Raiding on P99 has absolutely nothing in common with live. Anyone who tells you this was the case was a ten-year-old with a level 18 l33t N3k0m@nz3r at the time. It is absolutely not true that guilds crawled all over each other in cut-throat competition to kill a mob.

If you zoned in to clear ToV there was a near 100% chance that your guild was the only one in the zone (maybe another guild was in HoT, no one did WToV). There simply weren't enough high level players at the time and the guilds that could do the content were very exclusive and level 60 only. They actually cooperated with each other. There are 200 times as many level 60 players on P99 as there were on a live server during the Velious era. Heck lower level players used to bitch constantly at Sony because "20 percent of the content is for 1% of the players." And it was true. On P99 70% of the players are trying to do that content.

It is absolutely true that WoW literally buried the original EQ in subscribers because literally everyone could raid. Those of us that did make the cut in EQ called it "EQ Lite" for many of the same reasons you list.

This idea that raiding was ultra competitive on Everquest live during it's original release is complete fiction. What P99 has become may appeal to some, but it certainly isn't the game being played in any way like it was ever intended.

E'ci was somewhat cutthroat. If a mob was due and two or more guilds were tracking it, there was usually a race and shenanigans that followed. There was 3 western raiding forces and 2 Asian raiding forces during Velious.

If a raid force was already forming and pulling/buffing, it was usually respected. Patch day was totally fine, too, since there was plenty to do.

[Viscere]

Originally Posted by FatBalloon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This is an absolute abomination to the true spirit of EQ. I started playing a 20 year old game to experience, once again, a hardcore, dangerous single persistant world with rewarding gear and character progression. I have been weary trying to find this anywhere else and now what happens 2 months after I start playing a serious character on the server to experience the end game raid scene? Apparently, the ridiculous, whiny, instant gratification, lootboxing, pay to win, pay for cosmetics, can't compete, sissies that every other developer caters to have now invaded the only hardcore bastion left in gaming and convinced the moderators of the game to completely abandon the original principles of a single persistant world and turned the best raid zone ever created into essentially an instance where you can simply order your very own Vulak loot. Wipe 6 times in a row because you suck? I'm sorry, you do not deserve to have the warm graceful touch of Do'Vassir's Guantlets of Might upon your fingers. There are so many things wrong with this rotation it's literally insane. It is nothing but a total travesty and completely goes against everything EQ was meant to be.

What's next? You don't have to do CR's anymore?

abomination is the word.

Only trolls like this update

[turbosilk]

Great fix to the game for people who have productive lives vs keeping a bat phone handy 24/7and standing around for hours (not classic, not fun).

People had countless chances to show they could get along competitively (play nice policy) without CS intervention. Obviously can't be done.

PS pulling everything to zone in not in the spirit of the game. Diminishes the spirit of the game and people don't get to dungeon crawl and actually see the game.

[Hotel]

Originally Posted by turbosilk [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Great fix to the game for people who have productive lives vs keeping a bat phone handy 24/7and standing around for hours (not classic, not fun).

People had countless chances to show they could get along competitively (play nice policy) without CS intervention. Obviously can't be done.

PS pulling everything to zone in not in the spirit of the game. Diminishes the spirit of the game and people don't get to dungeon crawl and actually see the game.

Sorry your gear sucks bro

[turbosilk]

Originally Posted by Hotel [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Sorry your gear sucks bro

Sorry you didn't progression raid and have gear 20 years ago. Oh you think only gear makes the player. Step back, take a breath and really think about why you are playing a 20 year old sim in 24/7 bat phone zerg mode.

[aaezil]

The new rules are actually more classic!

Originally Posted by Ezrick [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This is utter garbage. The only "skill" displayed by the guilds raiding ToV on P99 is racing skills. Who can get-to, FTE, pull fekkin dragons to the zone like a pack of little girls to kill it is what ToV has become. It is the farthest thing from classic it could possibly be.

There are 200 times the number of level 60 characters on P99 than there were on any live server during the Velious era. And I'm only counting the active ones.

You didn't go into ToV racing another guild. You didn't pull dragons to the zone. You didn't use 3k worth of expendables for each pull with 8 monks, 3 SKs, and four DA clerics. Seriously, killing the actual mob is the easiest part of ToV on P99. There is nothing on P99 at this time that can not be killed by 30 level 60 players. No one ever saw "train to WTOV" on live. We crawled in back in the day, but then again we didn't have 200 a******* crawling up our backs either. Oh, we didn't exactly build our own EQ server to practice it all on either. I mean, really?

There were only 125 or maybe 150 total people out of a server population of 7000 who were involved in it at all. Our guild had around 60 total players (all level 60).

My guild was called Black Company, the other was called Enlightened Dark. Strange thing is, we communicated. If they wanted ToV we killed the Dain, or Tormax or went (rarely) back to VP so we didn't get in each other's way. Heck when Luclin came out we split it up right from the start, they got Vex Thal, we got everything else. So yeah, this idea sounds a lot like classic to me.

So don't tell me, one of the few people on P99 that was doing this content on live during this timeframe that cut-throat, backstabbing competition was the norm. It absolutely was not. This is much closer to "classic" than the current situation.

[Tura]

Originally Posted by aaezil [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The new rules are actually more classic!

Man I miss Tarrew Marr. #glorydays

[Mblake1981]

Originally Posted by aaezil [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Ah, decent EQ guild names.