World of Warcraft is the true spiritual successor to EverQuest.

[Jimjam]

Originally Posted by Topgunben [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Do you think classic EQ promotes socializing because of camps and the slower pace?

In wow, when you’re running a dungeon, you never slow down or stop. Health and mana regen rates are so fast that by the time you could start having a meaningful conversation, you’re already ready to fight.

So maybe it’s 50% environment 50% player.

I like that eq left lots of typing time.

I don't think that is such a necessary part of MMO design now, what with voice chat.

[Ciderpress]

Originally Posted by Jimjam [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I like that eq left lots of typing time.

I don't think that is such a necessary part of MMO design now, what with voice chat.

I don't think voice chat changes much. It just lets you "type" really fast. You still need to pay attention when a sketchy pull comes in.

I remember people describing EQ as "a chat room with a game around it" and I don't even think that's a pejorative, although I'm sure it was meant as one. What multiplayer game *isn't* just a chatroom with a game around it? The whole appeal is the other real people.

If I want compelling single player I'll play breath of the wild or mario or something.

[Wakanda]

Originally Posted by Topgunben [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Do you think classic EQ promotes socializing because of camps and the slower pace?

In wow, when you’re running a dungeon, you never slow down or stop. Health and mana regen rates are so fast that by the time you could start having a meaningful conversation, you’re already ready to fight.

So maybe it’s 50% environment 50% player.

If we're talking about modern WoW, then this is accurate. But the same could be said for EQ live. This is something long-time WoW players frequently cite when talking about why classic WoW was better. I remember coming home from working and messaging random people for hours begging them to join my group and having to hold their hands and walk them out to certain dungeons. If they were good I would add them to my friends list so I could narrow down the search for future groups. I also remember having to explain every single fight before each pull because there was no DBM or anything. I also remember having to mark each target and tell each specific player what I wanted THEM to CC. Hell, there wasn't even any damage meters. I remember going on witch hunts and looking at peoples' gear and asking players if they were leveling weapons skills because the mobs weren't dying fast enough and our priest was going OOM and we were wiping as a result [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Don't get me wrong, I will always prefer EQ over WoW, but for me WoW was and still is dramatically more social than EQ. I think this is namely because the nature of the internet changed dramatically between 1999 and 2004 and onward. I actually always thought WoW was kind of a mediocre and boring game, but that the social aspect of the game made it fun.

To put it simply, when WoW launched, we suddenly had voice chat, and myspace / facebook were super trendy, so I felt like I got to know players on WoW in ways that I never did on EQ due to the crude nature of the early internet. I'm still friends with people from classic WoW. I have them on facebook and actually still play with some of them on WoW (although Dragonflight is the first expac where almost none of my friends play anymore). Meanwhile, I have a hard time even naming any of the people I played EQ with 25 years ago [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] which makes me sad.

But even in 2024 I still feel like WoW is dramatically more social than EQ. I think the main reason for this is because the average person who plays EQ in 2024 is an older male who mostly plays EQ solo and who generally likes to be left alone, and this honestly describes myself in many ways, so that's not really a jab at anyone. Meanwhile I have to appear offline on Battle Net and Discord because there's ton of annoying girls who will beg me to join their VC the second they realize I'm online (platonic relationships, but 20 year old women tend to be a lot more social than us 40-something year old reclusive men).

Also for me the biggest hit WoW took was at the end of MoP when they introduced X-realm and flex raids. This killed the need for a 25 man raid guild. At the time I was so excited for x-realm and flex raids. But after a couple of years I realized that you no longer got to know other players since you didn't need a dedicated guild with players from your own server anymore. Anyone who was in a raiding guild before this time knows exactly what I'm talking about. The drama on our Ventrilo servers used to be soooooo epic. Nowadays if you complain about not being able to find a raid guild people will make fun of you and tell you to use the group finder.

[Wakanda]

Originally Posted by Jimjam [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I like that eq left lots of typing time.

I don't think that is such a necessary part of MMO design now, what with voice chat.

When classic WoW launched there was a lot of 20 year old kids on our server who were trying to play it because they wanted to see what it was all about. One day my friend and I are typing away while in a group in Duskwood forest, when this girl he introduced me to rage quit the group. Since I barely ever spoke to her, I asked him what her issue was, and he told me that she felt like we were excluding her since we typed so much. Apparently a lot of kids from her generation can't type fast enough to have a conversation with us old schoolers who learned to type REALLY fast because of EQ. I remember the first time I realized I could type efficiently after months of pecking was when I was running for my life through the Sarnak Fort in LOIO and typing to my group that I was in trouble and had the chancellor on me. Up until that point I never understood how anyone could type so fast without looking at the keyboard, but I had just done it ! Now I have kids on WoW debating over whether or not I'm AI since they don't think any human being can type that fast and they view me as a propaganda machine because of my obviously biased political views on everything [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Dundrige]

Did any of you play Minions of Mirth?

I played on it on my Mac long ago and it felt like the designers of the game just wanted to make an alternate EQ universe.

[magnetaress]

Originally Posted by Wakanda [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

When classic WoW launched there was a lot of 20 year old kids on our server who were trying to play it because they wanted to see what it was all about. One day my friend and I are typing away while in a group in Duskwood forest, when this girl he introduced me to rage quit the group. Since I barely ever spoke to her, I asked him what her issue was, and he told me that she felt like we were excluding her since we typed so much. Apparently a lot of kids from her generation can't type fast enough to have a conversation with us old schoolers who learned to type REALLY fast because of EQ. I remember the first time I realized I could type efficiently after months of pecking was when I was running for my life through the Sarnak Fort in LOIO and typing to my group that I was in trouble and had the chancellor on me. Up until that point I never understood how anyone could type so fast without looking at the keyboard, but I had just done it ! Now I have kids on WoW debating over whether or not I'm AI since they don't think any human being can type that fast and they view me as a propaganda machine because of my obviously biased political views on everything [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

*fistbumps*

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[Trexller]

Originally Posted by magnetaress [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

*fistbumps*

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Gay.

[magnetaress]

Originally Posted by Trexller [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Gay.

I was looking for this one 🫶 butt my phoen didnt have it thankfully the internet does

[Evia]

Lol

[Ekco]

The true spiritual successor to EverQuest was Eve Online regarding the importance of immersion.

I don't blame WoW for ruining an entire genre because Sony was already fucking up Everquest all on their own with Kunark & Velious design decisions turning this living breathing world of Classic Norrath into an arcade game about raid loot then the company that had a history of making excellent arcade games about getting loot came out with their mmo then 40 or some odd attempts by others to clone and replicate that over the last 20 years. literally the darkest timeline possible

In Eve if I want to pop in and see what's happening i don't load up the patch notes to see what's changed since last i played or check Reddit i'll watch something like this (player made guild recruitment ad in the form of Space CNN video with them declaring who they are going to fight next)

and the community has been playing in this soft-roleplay(?) way for 20 years now creating a story that rivals game of thrones or any other drama out there


dude from Wired got so interested in Eve after having to do a story about it he wrote a real history book about a fake online world