Question On Swarming

[ya.dingus]

Dumb rules.

This does what, prevents the 1-2 arguments among the handful of people still left playing the project?

Most zones aren't just empty, they stay empty.

[cd288]

Originally Posted by zelld52 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

GM showed up and despawned a mob i peeled while group was fighting it, and told me

(paraphrasing) "let us handle these disputes, don't take your own action. Technically you broke the PnP by disrupting the bard and you are eligible for a suspension"

This kind of thing annoys me. I don't mean to sound critical of the staff because they're unpaid volunteers and do the best they can for us, but if this is the rule of thumb there needs to be readily available CSR.

That rule of thumb worked back on Live because CSR was essentially available at all times and if you submitted a petition for a dispute like this one, it wouldn't take too long for a Guide to show up and take care of it. On P99 (understandably so) sometimes there's no shot of CSR showing up during the situation. So if you're not allowed to peel off the kite, then you're essentially screwed and the Bard is allowed to just keep disrupting the zone with no repercussion.

Which, of course, brings us full circle to the reason for the no swarm kiting rule.

[Goregasmic]

I think you're allowed to peel now? So if the dude had a 60 mobs kite it is possible it was prior to 25 mobs cap, peel rule and zone disruption rule but I'm not sure.

[Zuranthium]

Originally Posted by Swish [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Try going into a zone full of these sweatlords and setting up camp...

Chardok AOE as an example (2016)

There was no rule against it at the time though, and AOE was also not limited to 25.

Bards just need to have common sense now. Stop trying to swarm in a dungeon area if people show up there. If nobody cares that you're doing it, then there's no problem. GM's aren't going to police something that isn't a problem.

[zelld52]

Originally Posted by Ennewi [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Who was the GM that was known for DTing and banning players for boxing on the spot? Wish there was more of that for other offenses. Makes some sense why there isn't, but still.

Ugh I wish I remembered, but I saw this in person in Permafrost. The meth twins were up to shenanigans, and a heroic GM showed up and DTd the druid and banned him, so his corpse laid rotting on the floor of the bear pits for 7 days as a reminder.

[zelld52]

Originally Posted by Goregasmic [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I think you're allowed to peel now? So if the dude had a 60 mobs kite it is possible it was prior to 25 mobs cap, peel rule and zone disruption rule but I'm not sure.

ive heard conflicting explanations of the rules from different CSR

-one told me its okay to do it, as long as its not in an attempt to get the bard killed
-one told me not to touch the mobs, petition for zone disruption and let CSR handle it

but as cd said - its rare that you actually get any CSR response when a petition is first filed, because theres like 4 total CSR staff per server.

in that particular scenario i encountered, i pointed to the fact that myself and other players had petitioned that bard in the past few days for zone disruption, for the same thing - and the CSR rep saw the old petitions and let me live on to peel another day

[kjs86z2]

if a bard is taking a fuckload of mobs in an actively camped zone, 100% rip shit off his kite

fuck em

[loramin]

Originally Posted by zelld52 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

ive heard conflicting explanations of the rules from different CSR

-one told me its okay to do it, as long as its not in an attempt to get the bard killed
-one told me not to touch the mobs, petition for zone disruption and let CSR handle it

There was a time (2013) when GM Sirken said:

Originally Posted by Sirken (emphasis added)

as far as dungeons go, they are made up by camps. no person or group is allowed to own more than one camp (unless theres no other players around contesting the zone/camp). so if you are in Crushbone, or Mistmoore, or Unrest, or any dungeon, and a PLer is claiming more than one camp, the PLer has to give up one camp (as chosen by the person that owned both). if the PLer refuses to give up one of his multiple camps, you should /petition in game and then take a camp.

as far as swarm kiting bards, some earlier poster hit the nail on the head. the problem isnt that bards round up a hundred mobs; the problem is that it TAKES SO LONG to round up and then kite down the mobs, and as previously mentioned, can prevent anyone else from seeing a pop for over an hour. ive seen this in OoT, DL, and OT entirely too often, and i have told players repeatedly that if you can not find a mob because some one is kiting more than 4 of them, feel free to peel one off. no staff member is going to give a player grief for peeling 1 mob off a bard thats kiting an entire zone (or an entire island in the OoT situations).

But of course, policies can change over time, and the above quote was from long before the swarm rules change.

[Goregasmic]

Do you know if you can peel just one or one by one? Because if he's running in circles for an hour that's a long time to wait for a repop.

[zelld52]

Originally Posted by Goregasmic [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Do you know if you can peel just one or one by one? Because if he's running in circles for an hour that's a long time to wait for a repop.

Regardless of my previous interaction with CSR - I would peel as many as I could kill one at a time, until the bard only has 4 left, or has done close to 50% damage.