Cheating everywhere, GMs???

[Ringi]

Ok, well if that isn't good enough for you then, maybe we should see if we can hire a hacker on Fiverr to do the job for us then. /s

What the fuck, in your opinion, is in the realm of possibilities that we Peons have access to without access to the server/his computer data?

[Nibblewitz]

This is the same logic with PD. It’s possible that Vanquish trained, so Vanquish must have trained.

[Ringi]

Yep, you got it dude.

You're really great at logic and also Everquest.

[Trexller]

this thread went 30 pages in 24 hrs

is that a record?

[Bardp1999]

Could you not test this theory with a /random 901 1000 and see if the roll triggers people into automatically running? Do /shout SCRIPTING TEST - NO SPAWN - DO NOT RUN and then pop the roll and watch the machines leap into action.

[Ringi]

Probably not. The GINA trigger probably goes off of the /ran 0 1000 spam message. It would say 901 to 1000 in your case and probably wouldn't meet the criteria of what GINA is looking for.

[Bardp1999]

you might be able to fool GINA with a /emote

[Ringi]

Originally Posted by Bardp1999 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

you might be able to fool GINA with a /emote

Possibly, but depends on how well designed the script is. It'd definitely be a different spam.

That said, now that this is out there, it's likely, if there WAS any scripting/autofiring (again, we cannot prove cheating without the GMs help, but it definitely appears fishy), unless the accused are the most cavalier, it probably won't be used until people forget about this thread.

[xdrcfrx]

there are two parallel issues here, which are being conflated.

1) Did/does Stunningly cheat by using some kind of script to begin the race when his log file registers a /random of 900+? This is, of course, not provable. The evidence for it presented by the OP in the video is, imo, persuasive because of the statistical analysis which calls into question how one person can so consistently perform at basically beyond-human reaction speed. Whether or not this is enough to punish Stunningly is ultimately a GM judgment call - presumably, since this very drama played out several months ago, it is not. This does not exonerate Stunningly - a finding of not guilty is not the same as actually being innocent.

2) Is it possible, generally, to cheat the start of races that have a /random roll off as the condition on which runners can go? This is shown unequivocally to be true. Kickenit demonstrated just how easy someone could cheat these races. All of the hand waiving and deflection doesn't change the fact that we know for certain that someone who wants to set up an automated start to get a good jump off the line can do so with very little difficulty. This is actually the more important of these two issues, as it calls into question the legitimacy not just of a single player, but of the method to competing for FTE itself.

Coth racing was removed because it *could* be cheated. The Badain turn in was changed because it *could* be cheated. Scout is a roll and not a clickfest because it *could* be cheated. Just because no one specific was ever penalized doesn't mean the cheating wasn't happening, and GM's aren't required to have 95%+ confidence variable statistical certainty to change how things operate.

This isn't necessarily justification for punishing Stunningly or Vanquish. It should be justification for getting rid of footraces in favor of almost anything else, though.

[cd288]

Originally Posted by xdrcfrx [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

there are two parallel issues here, which are being conflated.

1) Did/does Stunningly cheat by using some kind of script to begin the race when his log file registers a /random of 900+? This is, of course, not provable. The evidence for it presented by the OP in the video is, imo, persuasive because of the statistical analysis which calls into question how one person can so consistently perform at basically beyond-human reaction speed. Whether or not this is enough to punish Stunningly is ultimately a GM judgment call - presumably, since this very drama played out several months ago, it is not. This does not exonerate Stunningly - a finding of not guilty is not the same as actually being innocent.

2) Is it possible, generally, to cheat the start of races that have a /random roll off as the condition on which runners can go? This is shown unequivocally to be true. Kickenit demonstrated just how easy someone could cheat these races. All of the hand waiving and deflection doesn't change the fact that we know for certain that someone who wants to set up an automated start to get a good jump off the line can do so with very little difficulty. This is actually the more important of these two issues, as it calls into question the legitimacy not just of a single player, but of the method to competing for FTE itself.

Coth racing was removed because it *could* be cheated. The Badain turn in was changed because it *could* be cheated. Scout is a roll and not a clickfest because it *could* be cheated. Just because no one specific was ever penalized doesn't mean the cheating wasn't happening, and GM's aren't required to have 95%+ confidence variable statistical certainty to change how things operate.

This isn't necessarily justification for punishing Stunningly or Vanquish. It should be justification for getting rid of footraces in favor of almost anything else, though.

It was literally already proven months ago. Riot said they were going to script for the race to prove that Vanquish had been scripting. They literally did it as a sting operation on vanquish and proved that the vanquish character was scripting