Enchanter OP impact poll

[surron]

I agree, but dont think there would be any reason for eqmac devs to touch charm logic in the few years it was in true development.

In any case, his parses from Al'Kabor match pretty high charm rates - but not really much data in terms of mob diversity.

who knows what p99 has done to the eqemu charm logic. I do know it's different than eqemu because apparently on p99 cha effects charm duration - which isn't a true mechanic (it should only affect initial cast.) Can't find the evidence Torven has from eqmac. who knows if that makes charm shorter/longer on p99 though.

I think the only true changes you'll see get implemented that effect charm duration on p99 are evidence of higher MR on certain mobs but that's hard to come by.

[DMN]

Originally Posted by surron [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I agree, but dont think there would be any reason for eqmac devs to touch charm logic in the few years it was in true development.

In any case, his parses from Al'Kabor match pretty high charm rates - but not really much data in terms of mob diversity.

who knows what p99 has done to the eqemu charm logic. I do know it's different than eqemu because apparently on p99 cha effects charm duration - which isn't a true mechanic (it should only affect initial cast.) Can't find the evidence Torven has from eqmac. who knows if that makes charm shorter/longer on p99 though.

I think the only true changes you'll see get implemented that effect charm duration on p99 are evidence of higher MR on certain mobs but that's hard to come by.

Eh, I certainly haven't seen any solid evidence cha has a statistically significant effect on charm duration yet so /shrug. Maybe they do have it implemented as such. Hour or two of charming with 30 some charm breaks is nothing when testing something that can break in 1 second or last 15 mins.

[azxten]

Originally Posted by surron [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I agree, but dont think there would be any reason for eqmac devs to touch charm logic in the few years it was in true development.

In any case, his parses from Al'Kabor match pretty high charm rates - but not really much data in terms of mob diversity.

who knows what p99 has done to the eqemu charm logic. I do know it's different than eqemu because apparently on p99 cha effects charm duration - which isn't a true mechanic (it should only affect initial cast.) Can't find the evidence Torven has from eqmac. who knows if that makes charm shorter/longer on p99 though.

I think the only true changes you'll see get implemented that effect charm duration on p99 are evidence of higher MR on certain mobs but that's hard to come by.

Unfortunate, most of what you're saying fits with what I was reading though.

Enchanters complaining about charm breaking fast on green mobs back in 1999. Fits with the same thing being said.

Also specific mentions about mob MR and that Enchanters believed mob MR scaled with their level so that Enchanters were slowly less able to control mobs as they got higher level.

I do think mob MR and it's impact on charm may be a major thing that is missing. On my Enchanter I only bothered to tash yellow+ mobs but reading classic era posts everyone talks about tash being a requirement even on blues.

Any P99 devs have anything to add to this conversation?

[magnetaress]

Prove it.

[soxetaqo]

Non-classically overpowered and needs nerf [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[soxetaqo]

oops, I mean
Non-classically overpowered and does not need nerf [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[cd288]

It’s funny how statements from 30 years ago are taken as fact when they support what the whiney OP wants done.

Know what else you can find from 20 years ago? People saying that pets steal exp from groups. People saying that the lowest level in the group gets the most exp. If you’re a Druid killing animals could decrease your chance to charm animals of the same type. There were incorrect statements about AGI and Dex. Looting corpses fully sped up a mob’s spawn timer. All kinds of incorrect statements on placeholders, spawn times, pathing, etc. And again, all kinds of contradictory statements about CHA and charming.

Old posts are worthless as evidence

[bwe]

Ah yes, "nothing" is definitely worth more as evidence than uh, evidence

[bubur]

how many votes are required to forcibly class change every enchanter into rangers

i know some ppl who may cast some mail-in ballots if you give me a target

[Seducio]

Why does the poll add up to 128.92% upon 'view results'?

Sounds like a bug in calculation algorithm for poll total