Get rid of bard AoE kiting, we've had our fun

[TarukShmaruk]

Originally Posted by Hawala [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Seriously fuck this and everything about this. Break it please. As previously mentioned graphics cards and/or Internet connections didnt make it feasible to do this.

They are plenty of other things that are much less abusive that have been broken:
1) AFK Mage camping with pets
2) Can't recast charm til charm breaks
3) Spawn variance

I totally agree with sellawiz this shit has gotta go. The original developers would have never ever meant the game to be played like this. IMO

I don't have any stake in this nor do I care, but this posters points are basically un-counterable.

[citizen1080]

Other than it's a complete fallacy?

[TarukShmaruk]

Originally Posted by citizen1080 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Other than it's a complete fallacy?

?

Other classic things such as Mage AFK killing were nerfed. This is fact.

It was much less abusive/advantageous than bard swarm kiting. This is also fact.

[Faerie]

Swarm = charm

Pet peeve of mine as a former live bard; please use the right words for things [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[citizen1080]

I was refering to the hardware comment.

[t0lkien]

Originally Posted by citizen1080 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Ditto

Ditto as well, though there are self entitled non-Bard soloers who get upset no matter what you do. My first time in SK at the Aviaks produced a weird angry conversation with someone who obviously hated Bards. I always kited the runners in SK and unless it was abandoned, left the Aviaks to others.

On topic, there is a much simpler solution. AoE kiting is fine. It's fun, takes real skill, involves a fair amount of risk, and is a fair use of the Bard's abilities when most of you aren't grouping anyway (so you can't complain that anyone resorts to soloing). The problem is what everyone is calling "low hitpoint" kiting. This is what is used for power-leveling and which pulls entire zones, and is game breaking. The fact that hundreds of mobs will stay aggroed on someone because their hit-points are low instead of the level 8 AoEing from behind them for 15 mins is the problem. It's unintentionally bad coding is all (I don't know why Verant wanted low hit-points to be the automatic focus of a mob's attention no matter what - I really think they just didn't think it through; it feels like a quick fix to another issue). The code change could even be isolated from boss mobs if there was concern it would affect raid encounters unintentionally.

Fixing it wouldn't be authentic, but it wouldn't negatively impact other parts of the game.

[heartbrand]

On red you can root the bard and watch him get destroyed. On blue I guess you make a post like this?

[t0lkien]

Originally Posted by Faerie [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'd support AE kiting being taken out if NPC agro involving the use of charm were fixed, so that bards could swarm. Still excellent exp, and much less disruptive.

How is it any different though? The mechanic is the same except you're not running in circles. You're still pulling large numbers of social mobs that have nothing but body aggro on the Bard via the pet. AoE kiting is fine - as I said, it's the low-hitpoint kiting that is the issue.

It might serve to validate your obsession with kiting semantics though [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[citizen1080]

Originally Posted by t0lkien [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Ditto as well, though there are self entitled non-Bard soloers who get upset no matter what you do. My first time in SK at the Aviaks produced a weird angry conversation with someone who obviously hated Bards. I always kited the runners in SK and unless it was abandoned, left the Aviaks to others.

On topic, there is a much simpler solution. AoE kiting is fine. It's fun, takes real skill, and is a fair use of the Bard's abilities when most of you aren't grouping anyway (so you can't complain that anyone resorts to soloing). The problem is what everyone is calling "low hitpoint" kiting. This is what is used for power-leveling and which pulls entire zones, and is game breaking. The fact that mobs will stay aggroed on someone because their hit-points are low instead of the level 8 AoEing from behind them for 15 mins is the problem. It's unintentionally bad coding is all (I don't know why Verant wanted low hit-points to be the automatic focus of a mob's attention no matter what - I really think they just didn't think it through; it feels like a quick fix to another issue). The code change could even be isolated from boss mobs if there was concern it would affect raid encounters unintentionally.

Fixing it wouldn't be authentic, but it wouldn't negatively impact other parts of the game.

Problem with this is that A. Hitboxes here are bigger which makes kiting more difficult than Live. and B. Swarm kiting doesnt work here due to aggro mechanics.

If they did nerf low hp aggro kiting (which would not be classic) all those bards would be in TD pissing off druids and wizards trying to quad raptors.

No matter what is done someone is going to be pissy.

[TxRanjahs]

Originally Posted by Grimmly Fireforge [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

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pretty much sums it up