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Old 09-21-2013, 07:44 PM
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Old 09-23-2013, 10:14 AM
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A great way to deal with this and related problems that are running rampant of late is for the GMs and guides to swing into action and start handing out suspensions and bans to people for zone disruption.

No need for rules changes. In fact, this is a perfect example of how the rules, as written, are neither classic nor how things were handled in later eras live. You are being asked for a camp check by these asshats so they can pin you down committed to a single spawn while they pull everything else. Sony never acknowledged camps for that reason.....Camps were purely a player-honored thing, but it worked because it was pretty much universally accepted by the players. They balanced this by making judgement calls on disruption and enforcing the actual rule, which was first to engage gets the mob. And, generally, it worked. Especially since peole who violated camps eventually got themselves sorted out.....You might get away with it a few times but eventually you would piss off the wrong person and they (or a guild) would make a project out of you...Or post on server boards and word would get out fast in you. Here, people lawyer around the non classic camps rule and, technically, by the nonclassic rule, they are in the right.

Since it comes up, the thing about not pulling through other groups even if they have set up camp in the middle of the pathing or in a doorway, etc, isn't classic either. In fact, setting up camp in places like that, also, make those players zone disruptors by the actual live classic standards. But by the stated rules here, people legitimately using the content as intended are, apparently, trainers should a group of regards decide to set up camp in the middle of a hall or doorway that other groups need to pull thru.

Well intended, I'm sure, but it's ass backwards.
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Old 09-23-2013, 01:53 PM
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A great way to deal with this and related problems that are running rampant of late is for the GMs and guides to swing into action and start handing out suspensions and bans to people for zone disruption.

No need for rules changes. In fact, this is a perfect example of how the rules, as written, are neither classic nor how things were handled in later eras live. You are being asked for a camp check by these asshats so they can pin you down committed to a single spawn while they pull everything else. Sony never acknowledged camps for that reason.....Camps were purely a player-honored thing, but it worked because it was pretty much universally accepted by the players. They balanced this by making judgement calls on disruption and enforcing the actual rule, which was first to engage gets the mob. And, generally, it worked. Especially since peole who violated camps eventually got themselves sorted out.....You might get away with it a few times but eventually you would piss off the wrong person and they (or a guild) would make a project out of you...Or post on server boards and word would get out fast in you. Here, people lawyer around the non classic camps rule and, technically, by the nonclassic rule, they are in the right.

Since it comes up, the thing about not pulling through other groups even if they have set up camp in the middle of the pathing or in a doorway, etc, isn't classic either. In fact, setting up camp in places like that, also, make those players zone disruptors by the actual live classic standards. But by the stated rules here, people legitimately using the content as intended are, apparently, trainers should a group of regards decide to set up camp in the middle of a hall or doorway that other groups need to pull thru.

Well intended, I'm sure, but it's ass backwards.
Amen. Weekapaug 100% on point. And players had a lot more respect for eachother in classic. They just would share what they did not absolutely need. Courtesy was key if you didn't want to get involved in a train fest etc...
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Old 09-23-2013, 10:26 AM
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Oh, and where do these fuckheads come from and why is P99 full of them?

It's one thing to be a high level and pull most of BB for PLing or for fangs if you stick to the deeper areas. But pullling the top floor and area around the bridge while there are players of appropriate level there is just douchebaggery plain and simple. Same goes for bard aoe kiting. AoEing is perfectly legitimate play, but doing it just because you can in a crowded zone, primetime, or on a weekend, is just pure assholery, I don't care what the rules say.

It's disruption plain and simple.
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Old 09-23-2013, 01:37 PM
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This thread brings back memories of all the whiny crybabies back in 1999. Soloed a barb warrior then as now and it's just like the old days.

Trains happen - DEAL WITH IT
People farm greens - DEAL WITH IT
People fight over camps - DEAL WITH IT

I really wish a lot of these complainers would go play Everquest 2. They fixed all that stuff over there and the game is BORING AS HELL!
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Old 09-23-2013, 01:51 PM
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I'd say if a group of appropriate level people are handling it I agree.

If its a group of people with a level 60 druid out of group propping them up it's a different story.
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Old 09-26-2013, 04:38 PM
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Every zone had tons of people in it back on live. I remember throwing LFG tags up in Solb for 6 hours even after Kunark had been out for a few months.

Gone are the days when noobs would camp bears in WK, Derv and Orc camps in Sro and the multitude of other off-the-beaten-path camps that made up the old world.
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Old 09-26-2013, 04:53 PM
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Gone are the days when noobs would camp bears in WK, Derv and Orc camps in Sro and the multitude of other off-the-beaten-path camps that made up the old world.
Will happen with an 800 pop server compared to the classic 2k
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Old 09-26-2013, 06:24 PM
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What about chardok. hard to bring in a party to xp in that zone now, with people pulling the whole zone all the time.
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Old 09-27-2013, 06:39 AM
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What about chardok. hard to bring in a party to xp in that zone now, with people pulling the whole zone all the time.
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