People here for classic experience...?

[sox7d]

What we need is a new game in the spirit of classic. There's gotta be ~40 devs across the P99 pop that would work on it, c'mon guys!

[Glenzig]

Originally Posted by Daldaen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

No item recharge
No classic group exp
Global OOC
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No thanks. If I get a camp, I want to be able to stay there a few hours and camp it without douchebaggery of someone vastly overgeared or vastly outnumbering me to steal the camp or spawn.

On blue, I don't need to worry about that. I just have to worry about neckbeard's who never leave. And even those who stay for a whole month at a camp leave eventually. I'm not trying to rush to the end of EverQuest to win, I don't think any of us are. So coming back tomorrow or next week or maybe even next month to camp something isn't the end of the world.

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[Vexenu]

Something that I think is lost on a lot of people is that at this point, both Blue and Red are PvP servers. The only difference is that on Red you engage in PvP directly by fighting with others players, while on Blue you engage in PvP by poopsocking and rule lawyering. On both servers you are in competition with others players for valuable spawns. The only difference is the form that competition takes.

And the OP is correct in his assessment that Blue is laughably unclassic at this point. The server is overflowing with cheap Kunark gear that makes leveling trivial, powerleveling is rampant, Chardok AoE is a ridiculous 24/7 operation, the high-end game is absolutely overflowing with level 60s, most people choose to solo or form min-maxed duos and trios rather than group, almost every decent drop will be farmed by some neckbeard of other 24/7, and I could go on and on.

That is not to say that Red is entirely without its own issues, of course. But overall the experience on Red does indeed feel more classic at this point. The game feels challenging again. I honestly don't understand how anyone who gave Red a fair shake and got themselves up to a decent level (and it's entirely realistic to be level 50 within a month of casual play) would want to go back to Blue. If you don't believe me, try it, even if it means walking away from your characters and gear. Personally I have a 60, a 54 and a 50 on Blue, along with a smattering of 30ish twinks just sitting collecting dust. I'm having more fun on Red with a much more ghetto geared character, and my experience is hardly unique.

I'd love to see an established Blue guild roll on Red en masse. I guarantee the majority of their players would have a lot more fun leveling new toons together from scratch on Red than they are currently playing (more like enduring) the high end game on Blue.

[Buellen]

Classic eq to me:

non raiding 1 to 46. Grind in x zone. zone modifiers are found out people slowly gravitate to the best xp zones.

NOTHING says you have to RUSH to the end (what ever that is to you). I see this on p1999 and on live all the time. rush to reach level x rush to reach x amount of gear.

A) IF your a raider mentality then go for it rush to the end maximize your xp per min to the N degree and be merciless to anything that slows you down.

B) IF you don't want to raid and just enjoy the expierence then don't worry about how xp your getting , make non traditional groups out of what ever you want. run to zone no one visits and and even you die enjoy the adventure.

THE SAD THING IS on p1999 you will run into more group A people wheather they admit it or not than you will ever run into group B people.

PS

I was one of those group A people until recently would never group with people that seemed slow to me or slowed my Experience rate. funny thing is I would never raid on p1999 , not because of how the raid scene here is but because i did enough of that on live and eqmac. I did more than a few twinks with various levels of gear. I soloed, duos, treo and grouped. I had some fun.

Lately though i decide to try something different I rolled a new toon a pally and only have been use gear from original game. I have bee having a blast. got so excited to find some bronze greaves on a merchant and spent some of my bandit earning to afford them 22p is most of my first 2hrs of kiling bandits.

[captnamazing]

[QUOTE=Buellen;1716458 rush to reach level x rush to reach x amount of gear.[/QUOTE]

This is a FANTASTIC way to burn out and turn into a slimy neckbeard. i am glad to report i leveled slowly, in a huge variety of zones and with different groups. It really was a boon to reliving that "classic" experience [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[kaev]

Originally Posted by captnamazing [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This is a FANTASTIC way to burn out and turn into a slimy neckbeard. i am glad to report i leveled slowly, in a huge variety of zones and with different groups. It really was a boon to reliving that "classic" experience [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Alts and tradeskilling, a couple of months-long breaks when I got fed up with one thing or another... 3 years and 3 months since I rolled Kaev, my first char and my main, and just made 58 this month. P99's been a lot of fun and (I expect) will continue to be a lot of fun.

But MMO PvP in general and EQ PvP in particular hold zero attraction to me. If I wanted to demonstrate once again how terrible I am at MMO PvP I'd reactivate an EVE Online account and go do it in a game designed from the ground up for PvP. The endless "play red" spam is a constant low-level annoyance, a waste of bandwidth and a waste of time. Spam is spam even if the GMs love you, it contributes nothing positive to the environment.

[Toodles]

Originally Posted by mickey182 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Not to poke the bear, but frankly there's an argument for loosening the no-box rule as well...part of what twinking is about is a need to be superman (via gear) to play solo. Let people be their own group and you alleviate the need for gear (somewhat), and weaken the hold of the economy. Just saying.

Absolutely correct, however it doesn't matter how many which ways we find dual boxing to be beneficial, they won't hear of it. It's just another thing they've long decided on not allowing and damned be any logic that we feeble plebs put their way.

Originally Posted by kaev [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Alts and tradeskilling, a couple of months-long breaks when I got fed up with one thing or another... 3 years and 3 months since I rolled Kaev, my first char and my main, and just made 58 this month. P99's been a lot of fun and (I expect) will continue to be a lot of fun.

But MMO PvP in general and EQ PvP in particular hold zero attraction to me. If I wanted to demonstrate once again how terrible I am at MMO PvP I'd reactivate an EVE Online account and go do it in a game designed from the ground up for PvP. The endless "play red" spam is a constant low-level annoyance, a waste of bandwidth and a waste of time. Spam is spam even if the GMs love you, it contributes nothing positive to the environment.

Firstly, if you don't like it, don't comment. As cliche as that is, it couldn't be any more true in this instance.
Also, if you really like Project 1999 and are supportive, then having people play red (as opposed to nothing at all related to P99) should be encouraged - regardless of which version you prefer.
Lastly, you complain about red posts lacking any thing positive, yet a large portion of people whom now play on red, do because they were convinced by others through these forums in these very same 'trolling' threads that you call them.

The only thing with 'nothing to positive to the environment' is your unnecessary insistence on sharing your opinion about something you aren't interested in.
Trolling a troll (if that's how you see it), isn't beneficial to any one.

[Iumuno]

Originally Posted by Daldaen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

No item recharge
No classic group exp
Global OOC
No Item Loot
Yellow Text

No thanks. If I get a camp, I want to be able to stay there a few hours and camp it without douchebaggery of someone vastly overgeared or vastly outnumbering me to steal the camp or spawn.

On blue, I don't need to worry about that. I just have to worry about neckbeard's who never leave. And even those who stay for a whole month at a camp leave eventually. I'm not trying to rush to the end of EverQuest to win, I don't think any of us are. So coming back tomorrow or next week or maybe even next month to camp something isn't the end of the world.

Neckbeards on blue will be in your way far more often than pks on red, it's not even close. And unlike red, you can't do anything about them.

[Glenzig]

Originally Posted by Iumuno [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Neckbeards on blue will be in your way far more often than pks on red, it's not even close. And unlike red, you can't do anything about them.

Its ok. I say keep the pixel addicts on blue. They can wait in line and argue over lists of names and use auction tracker tools to try to get their 12th alt geared. I'd rather play on a server of around 300-600 people who actually want to play EQ.

[Daldaen]

Originally Posted by Iumuno [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Neckbeards on blue will be in your way far more often than pks on red, it's not even close. And unlike red, you can't do anything about them.

Simply because no one wants to associate with the majority of the player base on red, leading to extremely low population.

Are they in my way far more often? Eh, I don't think so. But if I find something camped I leave and find something else to do in less than a minute. Maybe I'll shoot them a tell asking them how long they intend to stay.

I don't want to do anything to them though, that seems to be the thing people don't get. I'd like the camp, yes. Do I want to force them out of the camp so that I can have it, not unless they've been there for a month straight. Even then, I've never petitioned or kill stole because of that. I just think it's dumb. That's happened about twice on this server since Kunark. TMO's shitsocking Droga for them lockets (I didn't want one, just thought it was dumb), and Blitzkragg's Tranixing (wanted a crown, but again just thought sitting there for a month straight was dumb).

I'd imagine most are similar to myself on blue. They have no interest in shitting on someone else's day to steal a camp. Which it sounds like is one of the things you think is an attractive selling point for to join red. It's not. It's just a way to allow neckbeard's to grief normal players who are trying to play the game their own way. It would be useful in the extremely rare cases I listed above, but is it worth not being able to AFK meditate, not being able to camp stuff and not worry about being ganked, or not having to behave like human beings who are nice to one another. Not in a long shot.

The whole mentality that you should be able to force someone out who is taking their fair turn in a camp that they got to before you, is the same mentality that leads toddlers to have temper tantrums when they have to wait for something. Grow up and figure out something else to do if something is camped. That's part of a static world game. You want to have everything to yourself there are instanced games you can play.