Sir Lucan D'Lere - FTE or Camp?

[Bohab]

Originally Posted by Samoht [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So is VT campable? Sure..

Look I understand how the encounter typically goes down. But the fact is you can sit in front a spawned VT or Lucan waiting for help to kill it. In the case of Lucan it was established a camp meaning whom ever has been waiting the longest gets the kill. In the case of VT it's FTE. Two cases where you have players en route to help you but one is FTE and one is a Camp. If variance makes all the difference then so be it... but there are other static spawns in the game that are still in the grey area of whether they are FTE or a Camp. That's all I'm looking to address.

[fiveeauxfour]

Just make every NPC on a fte basis and make every NPC give a zonewide engage shout. Solved.

[Samoht]

Originally Posted by Bohab [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Look I understand how the encounter typically goes down. But the fact is you can sit in front a spawned VT or Lucan waiting for help to kill it. In the case of Lucan it was established a camp meaning whom ever has been waiting the longest gets the kill. In the case of VT it's FTE. Two cases where you have players en route to help you but one is FTE and one is a Camp. If variance makes all the difference then so be it... but there are other static spawns in the game that are still in the grey area of whether they are FTE or a Camp. That's all I'm looking to address.

Quit trying to confuse things. On this Lucan, you tried to cut in-front of someone who was already there and had a force ready to down him. Please show me any instance of that happening with VT. Ever.

If the mob is up, and no one is engaging it, I'd be inclined to agree with you. But that's not the way this has played out. At all.

[Daldaen]

Originally Posted by kaev [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If players on live had been so relentlessly obsessed with soulfire as every random toon's raid clicky the way we are here it would've been fixed to be clickable by paladin only long before it was. There're more tin-plated toolbags per square inch on this server than even the worst of the original live communities dreamed of.

The only reason SoulFires are obsessed over is because of FTEing 16 Hour Variance mobs and CotH-a-Trakanon.

If there were no variance, and guilds knew a very small window of when a mob would spawn, they wouldn't FTE a mob and then find out only 10 people logged on to their batphone at 3 AM. They would have a viable force since they knew when the raid was happening and wouldn't need to spam SoulFires to stay alive.

Also Trakanon being a CotH race, engaging with 8-10 people, and just inching along living off clickies, is another point of SoulFire use.

Remove Variance and remove CotHing from Trakanon (though... Trakanon without CotH would be hilariously retarded on this server). They would lose most of their Classic/Kunark use on raids. Reapers would suffice to fill in gaps in healing.

In Verrious though, I'm not sure you'll be able to prevent that.

[Lady Julae]

Originally Posted by SamwiseRed [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

problem with blue is soulfire is usable by everyone. glad red doesnt have such cheap trickery ezmode hacks exploits.

Because Red already has EZ mode XP, lol.

[Bohab]

Originally Posted by Samoht [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Quit trying to confuse things. On this Lucan, you tried to cut in-front of someone who was already there and had a force ready to down him. Please show me any instance of that happening with VT. Ever.

If the mob is up, and no one is engaging it, I'd be inclined to agree with you. But that's not the way this has played out. At all.

Sir I had a force ready to down him as well. You're missing some key facts in the situation you seem to know so much about. You seem to strive for conflict so this is the final time I will address one of your posts. This isn't about me or him or even the exact situation that happened this morning. It's about making sure we're all on the same page here. We're aware that Lucan is a camp. End of story, that's how the GMs decided it. Ok great, it is a camp. But why is this similar spawn FTE and not a camp? How can we tell the difference between camp and FTE without creating a conflict. I didn't see it as 'cutting' anyone because myself and my guild mates were under the impression it was a case of FTE. If we had known it was a camp then I would have never had engaged Lucan with other players in camp.

[Samoht]

Originally Posted by Bohab [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Sir I had a force ready to down him as well. You're missing some key facts in the situation you seem to know so much about.

No, you're missing a key fact. He was there first.

Originally Posted by Bohab [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

But why is this similar spawn FTE and not a camp?

What similar spawn are you describing here?

[Ezalor]

Originally Posted by SamwiseRed [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

problem with blue is soulfire is usable by everyone. glad red doesnt have such cheap trickery ezmode hacks exploits.

dis true

[Nuggie]

We're months away from soulfire being put to paladin only. should clear all this right up.

Also, Blue > Red

[Daldaen]

Originally Posted by Nuggie [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

We're months away from soulfire being put to paladin only. should clear all this right up.

Also, Blue > Red

By Months you mean the first Month of Luclin expansion? Cause that's when SoulFire became paladin only.

If we skipped Velious and jumped straight into Luclin that would be superb $$$.