Creation Point Discussion

[Forelis]

Originally Posted by Weekapaug [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The reason STR is the main stat for rogues is it is the stat that affects ATK. I may be sorely mistaken, but from what I read on a safehouse discussion years ago, "base" strength (as in the strength you have when you are standing naked) is calculated into ATK differently than STR from gear or buffs. According to the thread, a rogue with higher base STR will have higher ATK than another rogue with less naked STR in the same gear, buffed to cap, etc.

I was skeptical at the time, but the discussion seemed to have the nod of the resident experts, as I recall. I distinctly remember it though because I rolled my gnome rogue around PoP/LoY era when the popular consensus was that most classes should get anything important to 75 and then dump the rest into STA, which I did. When I read this thread some years later I happened to be knee deep in trying to eek out every bit of ATK at the time and I was kind of bummed about it considering my freaking STA was within 20-30 points of cap and I think I had only just started raiding.

Has anyone else ever heard of that? Or run into anything similar with another class? Like WIS with clerics, or STA with warriors?

I'd swear I read that on monklybusiness 6 years ago too.

[girth]

Originally Posted by guineapig [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Sort of...

I know that resist cap is like 400 or 500 for some reason, which needs to be addressed. You should probably read the thread though.

Is there a bug post on this anywhere? I searched but could not find anything. Just wondering, this seems like a huge issue to me.

[runlvlzero]

20 points in STA = less then 1 hit at lvl 50' worth of hp...

It just does not scale.

If you have no STR to wear bronze armor into your 30's your gonna suck as a plate glass.

Its a viable route for a rogue, i doubt people parse DPS logs here for xp groups and will shun you if your missing some STR, also rogue gear is a hell of a lot lighter for tanks...

STR is important for a "New Char/first char" because without plat to get any gear your gonna suck, and unless you wasn't to spend more time camping items then xping to get to 50 when you can get decent gear easily then your kinda gonna use whatever you come by which is gonna be almost nothing.

Anyway, go level a war on a pvp server with item loot then tell me what stats you think are important =)

I ended up soloing a troll war to 50 more or less and when he grouped he grouped naked at lvl 40+ unless it was a planar raid. It didn't really matter what my stats would have been if i was a shorty race i woulda picked STR so i could carry more bags and keep my shit from getting looted

[Reiker]

The point is that +str is on tons of gear, especially stuff you're going to use ie. hooded black cloak. +Sta is a lot more rare, and this holds especially true in Kunark and Velious. Str is better short-term, Sta is better long-term.

[guineapig]

Originally Posted by girth [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Is there a bug post on this anywhere? I searched but could not find anything. Just wondering, this seems like a huge issue to me.

I don't think so... at least I havent heard about it.
However I myself don't have the type of resist gear with which I could test this before posting it.

I guess it could be tested with a bard, druid buffs and somebody with raid level resist gear though...

[Chicka]

I think you really have to consider the road to the end game. Personally I would NOT want to level a cleric having put 20 points in sta and 5 in wis (untwinked). I did 20 wis and 5 sta, and frankly like every classic cleric before me struggled with mana pool for most of the road to 50.

[Hasbinbad]

Bump for teh nubz.

[Trude]

Titanium is installing now. I'll be creating my rogue in less than an hour. I'm glad I read this. Still a little torn between STR and STA though I have to say. Or in other words I'm still a little torn between playing this game hardcore 9 hours a day late into velious or just casually-ish enjoying Norrath again.

At least now I have a strong understanding of what my 2 most lucrative options are, and the advantages/disadvantages to both.

[shuklak]

It seems pretty specific to high enders that you'll easily max most important stats. However, I've always subscribed to the idea that if you max INT (or whatever is most important) then you can switch to gear that is more hp/mana/save friendly.

When it comes down to it, I don't think it ever matters that much. When you're level 35 the extra mana could save you. I see that as the best case scenario, but at the same time maybe some more stamina would save you in a different scenario.

[Edzilla]

Quick noob question - is the soft-wis/int cap still 200 @ 60?