Aftermath suspeneded... discuss

[kotton05]

thats scummy AS FUCKKKKKKKK hope this turns on awakened, not like AM was trying to break the rule , their fte'r even zoned out and back in to pull....

[paulgiamatti]

Originally Posted by Kodim [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Awakened conceded Dozekar. The person tracking for Aftermath then left the zone, came back in and pulled.

They should have just used someone else but that's what happened.

I'm kinda confused. Why did Awakened concede? Did they initially have FTE and make an attempt and fuck things up, then concede, or did they not even mobilize or make an attempt?

Was the Aftermath tracker at Dozekar's spawn point and accidentally FTEd once it spawned, then zoned out and back in or died and got rezzed, then went back to pull once the force was ready (scenario A)? Or did the tracker wait until his force was ready and figured the no-tracker-FTE rule no longer applied at that point because pretty much anyone could've pulled and there was no competition (scenario B)? Or something else entirely?

[Ella`Ella]

Originally Posted by paulgiamatti [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'm kinda confused. Why did Awakened concede? Did they initially have FTE and make an attempt and fuck things up, then concede, or did they not even mobilize or make an attempt?

Was the Aftermath tracker at Dozekar's spawn point and accidentally FTEd once it spawned, then zoned out and back in or died and got rezzed, then went back to pull once the force was ready (scenario A)? Or did the tracker wait until his force was ready and figured the no-tracker-FTE rule no longer applied at that point because pretty much anyone could've pulled and there was no competition (scenario B)? Or something else entirely?

1) Awakened breaks the no tracker FTE rule (as they've done multiple times - and have been suspended for).
2) Awakened is forced to concede for improper conduct.
3) Aftermath takes their tracker, zones the toon out of ToV and then zones back in, runs all the way to the target again and gets FTE with no other guild in zone contesting.
4) Awakened petitions using a manipulated and distorted version of the actual events.
5) Aftermath suspended by GMs based on false testimony.

[Pokesan]

wow.

justice is blind.

[paulgiamatti]

Originally Posted by Gimp [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'm just confused how you can consider someone a tracker if the mob spawns and they gate out of the zone and come back in. You're still passing the "start" line that the racers are supposed to start at, and you gain zero advantage.

Ah okay that sheds some light. I guess that's kind of a weird ruling. I can sort of understand why they'd want to make the rule apply across all lines considering A/A's penchant for using even the tiniest thing to their advantage in an effort to increase their pixel intake. Easier to just say "no, it was the same person that FTEd, end of story" instead of risking the possibility of insane neckbeards using it to their advantage in the future.

[Kodim]

At the end of the day, you should have used a different puller.

Mob was conceded and you had plenty of time to find someone else.

[Eponymous Anonymous]

Just to be perfectly crystal clear, if one of your trackers are the first to engage the raid target, your guild is DQ'd from the encounter.

[Gimp]

Originally Posted by Eponymous Anonymous [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Just to be perfectly crystal clear, if one of your trackers are the first to engage the raid target, your guild is DQ'd from the encounter.

At what point is someone no longer considered a tracker? What if I'm tracking a mob, someone comes to rep me, I zone out, zone back in, and the guy spawns as I get to the start line. I get FTE, am I still a tracker because I had been there previously?

This is about as vague of a ruling that I've seen on this server. The guy left the zone entirely and came back, that is negating his eyes on the target, thus he is no longer actively "tracking" the mob.

Again, really odd ruling.

[bktroost]

we had people in zone watching and were discussing moving on the target. We weren't racing for it but we have logs and watched the whole thing unfold. Once both conceded we were moving into action when we saw the second FTE. Just saying, it would have been dead to CSG hands otherwise.

[Gimp]

Originally Posted by bktroost [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

we had people in zone watching and were discussing moving on the target. We weren't racing for it but we have logs and watched the whole thing unfold. Once both conceded we were moving into action when we saw the second FTE. Just saying, it would have been dead to CSG hands otherwise.

You gave a guy enough time to zone out, sow, zone back in and go get FTE.

I'd hardly consider that contesting.