Possibly the best mmo. Ramble about gathering

[fadetree]

Originally Posted by xKoopa [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I thought mob was "monster or boss"

Are you telling me ive been wrong all these years? :/

Yep, you've been wrong. Stands for MOBile. Came from very early MUD type games, where originally monsters were more or less like part of the room description, like furniture or something. Having one move around and be it's own thing was a real advance back in the day.

[Lhancelot]

Originally Posted by fadetree [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

My opinions:

Cyber would be emergent gameplay, because it is about sex, not EQ, and uses the game mechanics itself (chat, lame emotes, removal of gear, tail flashing, etc).

I don't understand how the cam questions relate to the subject exactly, but its part of game code itself and as such I wouldn't think it could be classified as meta. Not so sure about streaming...streaming a stream would definitely be a meta-stream, but just regular streaming is just a way to view.

Playing dice in game is definitely a game within a game, but if you're using the /rand code it's just emergent gameplay. If you are privately rolling dice and telling others via chat then they or you or both are just being silly.

Racing other players is within the game and would be emergent gameplay.

rofl at the explanation behind cyber, haha.

I appreciate the response to what MM wrote also. I get lost half the time trying to understand MM, I need someone like you to decipher it for me, into layman's terms. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[maskedmelon]

Originally Posted by Lhancelot [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Are you pushing the level of this conversation above everyone's heads inadvertently or are you just showing off, Melons? [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Just curious ^^

Originally Posted by xKoopa [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I thought mob was "monster or boss"

Are you telling me ive been wrong all these years? :/

You have been wrong all these years.

hands xKoopa a tissue

[maskedmelon]

Originally Posted by fadetree [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

My opinions:

Cyber would be emergent gameplay, because it is about sex, not EQ, and uses the game mechanics itself (chat, lame emotes, removal of gear, tail flashing, etc).

I don't understand how the cam questions relate to the subject exactly, but its part of game code itself and as such I wouldn't think it could be classified as meta. Not so sure about streaming...streaming a stream would definitely be a meta-stream, but just regular streaming is just a way to view.

Playing dice in game is definitely a game within a game, but if you're using the /rand code it's just emergent gameplay. If you are privately rolling dice and telling others via chat then they or you or both are just being silly.

Racing other players is within the game and would be emergent gameplay.

Well, emergent play does sound so much more engaging than meta. Meta feels overly judegemental, like it carries deragotory connotations, like inferior or something, ya know? What activities would you consider meta? Is FQ meta? Seems too unrelated to be meta. How about leaderboard competition?

What if form a group and we meet up at the Wafarer's Roost for some fun :3 We all decide to play monopoly and take turns /randoming and declaring our moves (placing three houses on Parkplace for example) and update our boards at home accordingly. Is that meta? Or does it have to be more about EQ, like maybe magelo gearing competition?

[A1rh3ad]

Originally Posted by fadetree [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yep, you've been wrong. Stands for MOBile. Came from very early MUD type games, where originally monsters were more or less like part of the room description, like furniture or something. Having one move around and be it's own thing was a real advance back in the day.

I second this. It was short for mobile. They were npcs that moved from room to room (a room is a space on the grid, it doesnt have to be a physical room)

[A1rh3ad]

The consider system, global ticks, holy trinity, dot... everything here comes from muds. They were so similar that there was a lawsuit between sony and the original creators. Well one of them. See telnet MUD was designed to be an open platform for creative minds to be able to DM over large distances. It was distributed freely. One of the creators decided to sue sony for stealing assets but another person ownes the majority of the IP. He dropped the lawsuit saying that it was designed as an open platform for all to use. At least that is how I heard it. You never can really trust information back in the dark ages when BBS boards were still a thing.

[fadetree]

Originally Posted by maskedmelon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Well, emergent play does sound so much more engaging than meta. Meta feels overly judegemental, like it carries deragotory connotations, like inferior or something, ya know? What activities would you consider meta? Is FQ meta? Seems too unrelated to be meta. How about leaderboard competition?

What if form a group and we meet up at the Wafarer's Roost for some fun :3 We all decide to play monopoly and take turns /randoming and declaring our moves (placing three houses on Parkplace for example) and update our boards at home accordingly. Is that meta? Or does it have to be more about EQ, like maybe magelo gearing competition?

The point (my point, anyway) about meta is that it means a self-reference, one level up. Data about data is metadata. Rules about rules are metarules. A language grammar about grammar rules is a metagrammar. A program that writes programs is a metaprogram (those exist). The self-reference is key, not just that it's outside of or parallel to something else. Metagaming would be playing a game about playing games, I suppose, but not playing some other game IN a game.

But, like I said, I guess it's come to be used to fill a void as to what to call stuff like playing some other game within a game, talking about a game, using advanced knowledge of a game to play better, etc. We didn't really have non-awkward phrase, so 'meta' got tagged from what I claim is a misunderstanding. So be it, language changes all the time from stuff like that.

Emergent describes something that comes out unexpectedly from a simple ruleset. Remember conway's game of life? It generated expanding patterns of colored pixels that had all kinds of different shapes and forms from a VERY simple ruleset written in like 10 lines of BASIC code. Or take ants, they are very simple, they just follow smell trails around and each ant doesn't actually know jack about what the hive is doing, but somehow all their individual actions add up to behavior that institutes and protects a complex hive. That's emergence, unexpected complexity out of apparent simplicity.

[maskedmelon]

Originally Posted by fadetree [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

A program that writes programs is a metaprogram (those exist).

I think this is easily the most terrifying thing to come from our meta exchange ^.~v

[fadetree]

hah yeah, it is kind of scary. I for one welcome our robot overlords!

[A1rh3ad]

What is really scary is the library of babbel. If you think about it it could one day write a super virus or AI by accident XD