Ranger vs Warrior Archer

[Murri]

There is no way a warrior beats a trueshot ranger with BFG/epic/fleeting quiver

[oqrelord]

Originally Posted by paulgiamatti [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Stationary targets will mitigate 50% archery damage across all classes I believe. Double damage can still occur for a ranger on a stationary target, but in that case it will just be doing normal damage.

Edit: Apparently double dmg on stationaries is a feature of Trueshot for rangers, should be working as intended on P99. Also worth noting that Trueshot has a 2-minute duration.

Dang so there is no actual added damage multiplier for pewing stationary mobs that you cant achieve by kiting it?

So aside from trueshot a crippling bowshot will be the biggest hit?

Im leaning more towards war now if this is the case.

[paulgiamatti]

Originally Posted by oqrelord [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Dang so there is no actual added damage multiplier for pewing stationary mobs that you cant achieve by kiting it?

I'm not entirely sure on the mechanics here, but it sounds like Trueshot simply negates the intrinsic 50% damage mitigation you normally get when shooting stationary mobs with a bow. Archery nerds may want to weigh in.

Originally Posted by oqrelord [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So aside from trueshot a crippling bowshot will be the biggest hit?

Im leaning more towards war now if this is the case.

A double damage, critical Trueshot hit will be the biggest - the multipliers will stack. A non-Trueshot, double damage critical hit will still be bigger than a warrior's crippling blow. I'd bet my life that even without Trueshot, ranger archery will still greatly out damage a warrior's with equal stats & gear.

Also, proc-snaring stuff as a warrior would be a total pain in the ass. Archery sucks in EQ, but it sucks the least for rangers.

[skarlorn]

i'm sure ranger is the superior min/max choice but who gives a fuck about min/max?

we all wanna see a massive ogre wearing green plate hauling ass across the horizon doing 360 noscope bowshots for 1k damage

[Sajan]

Level 51+ Rangers deal double damage on all stationary, non-rooted targets at all times. Trueshot allows you to hit for max damage or up to double damage with a bow with an increased hit probability on top of the bonus you get to stationary targets.

[Jimjam]

Fun fact!

Against giant mobs where their melee circle is larger than the minimum range for bow, you can put your fire beetle eye in your primary slot, pop trueshot, shoot your range slot while pulsing auto attacking with your off hand!

Ghetto BFG!

[Troxx]

For ranger double damage:

If rooted and not moving no double dmg
If moving no double dmg
If not rooted and not moving ie being tanked - ranger gets double dmg.

Basic ranger mechanics.

[paulgiamatti]

That makes more sense. Using Windstriker, I was under the impression that snared and moving targets could still be hit for double damage, but now I see the double dmg was only hitting after the stun proc, during the stun duration. Looks like I usually get off about 3 shots during the stun. Just another reason why Windstriker is arguably the best bow in the game.

[Kealenfists]

Originally Posted by mickmoranis [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

especially if you only wear green armor, either player crafted somehow or by questing to find that green stuff.

Green ogre archer would be amazing lol

especially if you RP'd and everytime your group yelled at u you were like ME FLING ARROW ME DA BEST ME RAISED BY RANGER AND ME A RANGER and just ignored their instructions.

haha

[paulgiamatti]

Oh also,

Originally Posted by Troxx [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If rooted and not moving no double dmg

Rooted mobs will mitigate 50% archery damage, so you'll hit for half damage - this is what I thought people meant by "stationary". Stationary is probably the wrong word, but easier than saying "stunned or engaged in melee and not rooted".

So it's more like,

If mob is rooted, no double dmg + halves dmg
If mob is moving, no double dmg
If mob is not rooted and not moving ie engaged in melee/stunned, ranger gets double dmg