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Old 09-29-2019, 04:56 PM
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No extra conveniences on Blue, thank you.
You don't have to use them. That's your choice. But I and others want them. What difference is it going to make to you how I play MY game? It doesn't affect the way you play your game at all.
I hate so much having to manually move around soulbound keys each and every death. And keeping track of who is in a guild is next to impossible, if not indeed impossible. People stealth quit all the time. Or are they on vacation? Or is their IP down? What about their alts? Who the hell are their alts?? Is this going to upset the game to have a tool that tracks this all?

I think not.......
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Old 09-29-2019, 05:07 PM
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You don't have to use them. That's your choice. But I and others want them. What difference is it going to make to you how I play MY game? It doesn't affect the way you play your game at all.
This is exactly the kind of talk I was hearing years ago that ruined the mmos I used to enjoy. If you want quality of life changes then take your pick from the countless mmo clones that already have plenty of them.
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Old 09-29-2019, 08:02 PM
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You don't have to use them. That's your choice. But I and others want them. What difference is it going to make to you how I play MY game? It doesn't affect the way you play your game at all.
I hate so much having to manually move around soulbound keys each and every death. And keeping track of who is in a guild is next to impossible, if not indeed impossible. People stealth quit all the time. Or are they on vacation? Or is their IP down? What about their alts? Who the hell are their alts?? Is this going to upset the game to have a tool that tracks this all?

I think not.......
What you want is irrelevant here though... The devs have been pretty clear on that. The question is how long till you come to terms with that?
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Old 09-29-2019, 08:10 PM
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What you want is irrelevant here though... The devs have been pretty clear on that. The question is how long till you come to terms with that?
Read the entire post. I've already stated that. I know R&N are the head honchos.
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Old 09-29-2019, 05:26 PM
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Then get rid of item linking. Everyone types it all out manually....Bring back corpse looting when you drag someone. Let people drop cash on the ground......

The list goes on.

Did it ever occur to you QoL features could draw more people in?

This server could so easily turn into Red, with about 35 people all saying, "Yah!! No QoL stuff! We win!!".......And guilds consist of 7 people and the remaining population can't even raid HoT. Certain QoL features don't affect gameplay. But to intentionally make anything harder then it needs to be simply serves no purpose.
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Old 09-29-2019, 05:43 PM
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Did it ever occur to you QoL features could draw more people in?
I'm not trying to get into this fight on one side or the other, but I think something (important) may not have occurred to you.

The people behind this server do not care about drawing more people in. And they've flat out said as much: Nilbog has a quote to the effect that he plans to make this place classic even if that means driving every last player off.
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Old 09-29-2019, 05:45 PM
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I'm not trying to get into this fight on one side or the other, but I think something (important) may not have occurred to you.

The people behind this server do not care about drawing more people in. And they've flat out said as much: Nilbog has a quote to the effect that he plans to make this place classic even if that means driving every last player off.
That train departed long ago. Classic was abandoned for the reasons I stated earlier. Loot on drag, no item links, etc etc. But, I understand your viewpoint.

The real question becomes, since they already deviated from classic, where and how is the line drawn? NO ONe can dispute the fact item linking is NOT classic by any stretch of the imagination. Take that away, and watch the riots start.
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Old 09-29-2019, 05:52 PM
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That train departed long ago. Classic was abandoned for the reasons I stated earlier. Loot on drag, no item links, etc etc. But, I understand your viewpoint.
Such a typically ignorant response ... I want to get mad, but it's better to educate than get mad at ignorance [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

P99 has never "abandoned" classic-ness . When the wiki works, you can find an entire page of unclassic stuff (the "Non-Classic Compendium") ... but along with that list, you'll also find an explanation for why each thing is.

There are literally just two things that are pure developer fiat: the direction of the boats in OOT (the original directions made no sense, world-wise), and the Siren's Grotto camp/glitch bug (it was used far more on live than recharging ever was, but the devs unclassically "fix" it here). For those two things, you can rail as much as you want against for R&N for being hypocrites.

For everything else though ... if it's unclassic, it's unclassic because it has to be. Either it's impossible to recreate classic because no one knows for sure what some aspect of classic was like, so the staff do their best (eg. drop rates of stuff, exactly where every mob spawns and how many per zone, etc.) ... or it's impossible because of a technical limitation like the Titanium client.

But again, except for boats and Siren's Grotto, nothing here is done unclassically by choice.
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Old 09-29-2019, 11:17 PM
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The people behind this server do not care about drawing more people in. And they've flat out said as much: Nilbog has a quote to the effect that he plans to make this place classic even if that means driving every last player off.
This.

I often wish there was more of a financial incentive for the P99 devs to be more concerned about population. We would get some QoL changes, we would get Luclin eventually, and Veksar, and the Cazic Thule revamp, and blue could be more than just a retread of classic EQ, it could be the best EQ ever could have been.

The truth though is that fewer players would make their lives easier, and P99 is more a labor of love, an homage, a work of art intended to recreate a time and a place faithfully, regardless of how appealing it is to people than it is an attempt at making a popular EMU server.
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Old 09-30-2019, 05:08 AM
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This.

I often wish there was more of a financial incentive for the P99 devs to be more concerned about population. We would get some QoL changes, we would get Luclin eventually, and Veksar, and the Cazic Thule revamp, and blue could be more than just a retread of classic EQ, it could be the best EQ ever could have been.
Strip out all of the RPG elements, add in MTX for ease of leveling. Essentially what P99 is not, just use the titanium client with no mods. Don't forget the mercenaries. Also add in twitch streaming functionality and see if one of the popular young artists will do up some commercials on TV to promote it.

(no troll, illness with modern gaming..why the hell am I here still.)
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