6 level 16 mages down EE in Guk?

[skorge]

Originally Posted by yraapt [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

At launch casters in general are going to be more powerful than melee classes with crap gear. That is just reality.

If we want pure classic, mage pets were kind of crappy at the original launch. However if you go down that road, necro pets were OP back then (dagger delay, which they said is not happening for green). Did you want to nerf pets or did you want pure classic?

Pure classic. Necros being OP is pure classic. Necros crapped all over mages back then, at least for a short while. I want EQ classic done right. Also keep in mind it took Verant a long time for mage pets to dual wield (read the following):

Necro pets should not equip two of the same weapon until January 2000 patch era

Necro pets should not lifetap until January 2000 patch era

So yes, necros > mages for a long time in vanilla. It's a fact.

[FishBait01]

how about you play on green before you cry.

there are warriors druids and bards 40+ As well as the mages and necros

[FishBait01]

Originally Posted by skorge [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Read this, see actual patch notes from May 1999: https://www.project1999.com/forums/s...d.php?t=335869

So, no you are wrong...mage pets are OP on P99, not classic! My first character was mage and the pets sucked balls. The pets did not cast up until around 2.5 months in. Pets post level 20 did not exist in-game due to research broke. If research would have been fixed, the only way to get a pet post 20 would have been through research. Keep in mind that research drops were 300% rarer at the time. So most mages who made it past 20 ended up using the level 20 pet until 2.5 months in when it got fixed.

you obv have never played a mage. their pets are merely a tank, at lvl 16, mages cast 2-3 spells and the mob is dead

[akagami]

Originally Posted by skorge [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You totally miss the point. The point is mage pets are still casting spells. They are not in their true form right now on Green. There has been patch notes provided in the Bugs forum to prove this 100%. Nobody is even saying anything about this! It disgusts me quite frankly. People will rather have a broke launch on Green to get a head start for a few pixels that won't even matter due to the /list function.

It completely baffles me. I feel like I am lone ranger here for wanting the server to emulate how it was on classic launch. Pets were no where near as good as they are here on blue and now green. It's a HUGE deal. It completely changes things and makes things unclassic.

If the launch needs to be delayed, then so be it. It would be well worth it. Heck right now Kunark items are dropping...there are a TON of bugs being reported.

It's not about the pets casting spells. It's pet walling in general. That's why TLPs "fixed" this mechanic.

[skorge]

Originally Posted by FishBait01 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

you obv have never played a mage. their pets are merely a tank, at lvl 16, mages cast 2-3 spells and the mob is dead

What class did you play back in March of 99 through June? I'm willing to bet it wasn't a mage, LOL.

[skorge]

Originally Posted by FishBait01 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

how about you play on green before you cry.

there are warriors druids and bards 40+ As well as the mages and necros

Cool. Is the server up yet? Oh wait...

PS - beta is not a realistic expectation of actual launch, as exp rate is jacked and boxing is allowed, as others have stated...ive seen way more many high level mages than any other class though but due to the previously stated you cant really expect the same for launch - nobody truly knows yet.

[Insaiyan]

But guys what about the enchanter pet![You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Tecmos Deception]

Originally Posted by skorge [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Read this, see actual patch notes from May 1999: https://www.project1999.com/forums/s...d.php?t=335869

So, no you are wrong...mage pets are OP on P99, not classic! My first character was mage and the pets sucked balls. The pets did not cast up until around 2.5 months in. Pets post level 20 did not exist in-game due to research broke. If research would have been fixed, the only way to get a pet post 20 would have been through research. Keep in mind that research drops were 300% rarer at the time. So most mages who made it past 20 ended up using the level 20 pet until 2.5 months in when it got fixed.

If pets cast or not doesn't affect whether 6 level 16 mages killed EE. The pets wouldn't have stuck any spells on a mob that much higher level than them anyway.

Mages may be overpowered on green compared to classic, but if that's your concern then pursue it rationally and with evidence the staff will act on, not with threads like this.

[Vexenu]

I don't think research difficulty will have a big impact on Mages either, because there is always at least one pet available from a vendor at every spell level. And you really don't need a specific pet to level a Mage, especially if you get a multi Mage party going where you just zerg mobs with multiple pets.

[Tecmos Deception]

Originally Posted by skorge [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Quote from a player on 05/99 before patch added mage pet spells:



Mad props to Dolalin for finding all this: From https://groups.google.com/forum/#!ms...w/XeKGvPgXNZoJ

Maybe the pets on P99 have too much hps if they aren't dying super fast?

Pretty sure low-level fire pets DO actually diaf (kek) in realistic leveling situations.

You don't have enough context here, with this alone, to make any sound conclusions.

Was this guy using a max-level summon? What level mob was he fighting? Was he grouped or solo, kiting or letting his pet tank fully? Did his pet put up a damage shield before the fight or was it not on yet? All this stuff could easily be true or not, and these things would drastically affect the way a player who doesn't know about them perceives the strength of this pet. Nowadays we know to think about this. The first month or whatever of classic, almost nobody did.

Again, I'm not trying to argue that the pets are too strong or too weak, classic or not. I'm just pointing out that you aren't making a very good case for change, regardless. Accumulate evidence, present it in a thoughtful way without bias or emotion involved, and make a good thread.