I don't remember monks being able to tank 20+ years ago.

[magnetaress]

Basically

[Jimjam]

My monk was soloing upper guk and then Thurg critter caves in cloth equivalent AC (bristlesilk). It felt very wrong.

[cd288]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I think a big part of it is that Monks did get "tankier" after Classic/Kunark. I didn't play a Monk, so I'm not sure how much was in Velious and how much was in Luclin, but I do know that by Luclin Monks were decent tanks, and that in the Shaman forums they were the recommended duo partner because they were tanky enough to heal with Torpor, but did more damage (and had more utility) than a normal tank class.

So, it's possible P99 still has some "Monks got improved in Luclin" stuff that doesn't belong (because this place got lots of data from the EQ Mac server, which was in PoP, and other post-Velious sources) ... and it's also possible that Monks were that tanky, and your memories are just from before.

But you know what I'm pretty damn certain didn't exist back in classic? Enchanters soloing the Plane of Hate (and really just being gods with charm in general).

Please limit your whining about Enchanters to Enchanter related threads. This thread is about Monks

[Barik]

Enjoy your free Everquest.

[magnetaress]

iirc monks kinda where decent soloers into the mid 20s on live back in the day

iksars into the mid 30s

at 40 all tanky classes fell off drastically tho as the 'game got real' at that point and monks , rogues, and hybrids really fell behind, however one thing i do remember is:

rogues dodged and parry'd a lot more even vs redcons and did decent damage even tho they didn't have warrior ac butt they were not able to solo mobs as well as they do here other than using the instill doubt trick which got nerfed here

[loramin]

Originally Posted by Reiwa [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Monks are terrible on EQ Mac what are you talking about?

The two facts are not mutually exclusive. We can get calculations from EQ Mac data that make any class more powerful here, even if overall that class was less powerful on the server.

[Croco]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I think a big part of it is that Monks did get "tankier" after Classic/Kunark. I didn't play a Monk, so I'm not sure how much was in Velious and how much was in Luclin, but I do know that by Luclin Monks were decent tanks, and that in the Shaman forums they were the recommended duo partner because they were tanky enough to heal with Torpor, but did more damage (and had more utility) than a normal tank class.

So, it's possible P99 still has some "Monks got improved in Luclin" stuff that doesn't belong (because this place got lots of data from the EQ Mac server, which was in PoP, and other post-Velious sources) ... and it's also possible that Monks were that tanky, and your memories are just from before..

Monks got nerfed HARD in Luclin. Not really sure what you're talking about here. High end monks with raid gear didn't feel it as much as lesser geared lower level monks but all monks got hit.

[Olean]

Originally Posted by Croco [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Monks got nerfed HARD in Luclin. Not really sure what you're talking about here. High end monks with raid gear didn't feel it as much as lesser geared lower level monks but all monks got hit.

This nerf is why i rolled a rogue on live and never looked back. My live monk is still 60 with hot/ToV gear.

[Jimjam]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The two facts are not mutually exclusive. We can get calculations from EQ Mac data that make any class more powerful here, even if overall that class was less powerful on the server.

From my limited knowledge biggest improvement monks had in loose Lynne was extra time to farm high HP and AC Velious armours and improve their AC returns with AA.

Just before POP hit there was a massive revamp of the AC system designed to tone down overgeared monks and prevent item devs being hemmed in by the worn AC caps. P99 inherited this system from eqemu and I don’t think the revert has been fully reverse engineered - ie the claims of shaman outtanking rangers.

[magnetaress]

yeah we need original forumulas so bad