Paladin shield question

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by PatChapp [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

While not a paladin, I had a heal land on my warrior in an aow fight for 6485 hp. He has 6500hp buffed, it is the closest for sure

This is obciously an outlier,and usually 25hp isnt the difference.

You are correct that the 25 HP would matter more if it got you over a specific HP threshold, like the tanking AoW HP threshold. But that would only be an issue if you have a specific gear combination that puts you 25 hp or less under the threshold.

[Eisai]

Wish i could quote just the threat part but eight thousand back spaces on flip phone is outside my patience.

Offhand gives bonus threat? Does this have a benefit that might make the 1H V. 2H tanking result change (namely for nonraid targets / leveling)?

Sorry for topic crossover.

[Troxx]

Originally Posted by Eisai [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Offhand gives bonus threat? Does this have a benefit that might make the 1H V. 2H tanking result change (namely for nonraid targets / leveling)?

Yeah it was something I had not considered at the time.

When calculating threat potential it's a combination of damage threat and proc threat.

Damage threat applies whether you hit or miss. It is a function of your weapon ratio, the damage bonus for your level, and the speed with which you are swinging. Full haste = a lot more threat than no haste. Hit or miss - you get static aggro per swing (hit attempt).

What I DID know was that you got 11 threat per swing attempt on primary hand (dmg bonus at 60) on top of the ratio part. The faster you swing the more quickly you apply this bonus. What I DID NOT know was that even though you do not get damage bonus damage, it still gives you 11 threat per swing of your offhand weapon.

If you know all the variables:

-weapon ratios
-haste
-% double attack
-% dual wield (if dual wielding)
-% double attack + dual wield (if dual wielding)
-% triple attack (if warrior and level 60)
-proc hate values
-relative proc rate (2x ppm primary 1x ppm offhand at 255 dex)

You absolutely can napkin math average expected AVERAGE threat per second/minute. The wild card is that procs are streaky and can be anything other than average. White threat should be very consistent/predictable over time.

But yes, if offhand does apply damage bonus hate that makes this weapon the single highest threat offhand weapon in the game for warriors:

https://wiki.project1999.com/Nevederia%27s_Horn

The proc isn't exactly massive threat (it is pretty small) but you only get on average 1 proc per minute for offhand at 255 dex. The ratio is good. The delay is so blisteringly fast that you're applying that extra damage bonus threat at machine-gun speed.

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In that OTHER thread, I was not aware about offhand damage bonus threat. In the absence of that non-classic offhand damage bonus threat, Dain's Frostreaver put out top tier threat (comparable to the best dual wield setups). Because such a big chunk of the threat came from a source that was always reliable (swing threat: ratio + dmg bonus), the aggro is or would have been a lot less subject to wild fluctuations as it didn't rely as much on unreliable procs.

Still a great weapon. Still great aggro. It just turns out it wasn't as tippy top as my original napkin math stated it would be compared to some of the better dual wield options for the raiding warrior.

[Ripqozko]

so still the same answer 100hp for raid, 55ac for group content. idk what yall use knights for but ours tank legit raid targets in riot, if you have a ch youll benefit from max hp more. rest of yalls junk answers is fluff.

[Eisai]

Originally Posted by Ripqozko [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

so still the same answer 100hp for raid, 55ac for group content. idk what yall use knights for but ours tank legit raid targets in riot, if you have a ch youll benefit from max hp more. rest of yalls junk answers is fluff.

But if secondary raises AC cap so you take 26 less damage..?

[Ripqozko]

Originally Posted by Eisai [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

But if secondary raises AC cap so you take 26 less damage..?

you stack hp to prevent a 1 round max hit

you still want ac but it works better in 6 man where mob attack is low.

you can do what ya want this is the answer tho.

[Troxx]

Originally Posted by Ripqozko [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

you stack hp to prevent a 1 round max hit

I get it. I really do. There are only a tiny handful of mobs in the game that can 1-round you if buff out to as little as 5k. Of those mobs, knights aren't gonna be tanking any of them. Well raid-geared knights will be buffing higher than that. If well geared raid knights buff well above the threshold for a 1 round max, where is the point that the knight acknowledges that 25 more shield ac is worth more than 50hp?

Food for thought.

[Ripqozko]

Originally Posted by Troxx [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I get it. I really do. There are only a tiny handful of mobs in the game that can 1-round you if buff out to as little as 5k. Of those mobs, knights aren't gonna be tanking any of them. Well raid-geared knights will be buffing higher than that. If well geared raid knights buff well above the threshold for a 1 round max, where is the point that the knight acknowledges that 25 more shield ac is worth more than 50hp?

Food for thought.

my alt is 6.3k we buff out to 6.5k we knight tank most of tov now.

[scifo76]

Thanks everybody for answering! I got all 3 shields so I can do a bit of swapping for the situation.

[Eisai]

Lol, that'll show 'em!