new rules terrible

[heartbrand]

Originally Posted by Rallyd [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

My response - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D6U2cNu9tEM

The only reason anyone would need grand clarification on rules is so that they could get as close to breaking them as possible. That's how Holocaust has always worked, harass GM's to create a more suitable environment for their cause.

I would like to stress this individual has trained us repeatedly and often suggested training as our tactic of choice for PVP in nihilum vent.

[oldfish]

There is a difference between something being technically illegal, and in practice.

In practice, i have never heard in 2 years of playing Rallos that training was illegal, as it was such a widespread and accepted part of the pvp experience.

When i started playing here was the first time i heard about any sort of ban against training on live.

I am playing against this OOR necro who is killing my xp camp and i wish i could train his ass, thats what i would have done on Rallos.

[Nirgon]

Originally Posted by Rallyd [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

My response - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D6U2cNu9tEM

The only reason anyone would need grand clarification on rules is so that they could get as close to breaking them as possible. That's how Holocaust has always worked, harass GM's to create a more suitable environment for their cause.

You, sir, are a fucking abomination.

Let's consider your change of stance of aggroing CT night 1 vs night 2:

http://www.project1999.org/forums/sh...4&postcount=28

I'll say that I've heard Beo was finally suspended which is a good thing. Notice how I haven't called for the head of anyone else who did it? Or insisted since he was suspended that Troriste should? Troriste acted before the rule was in place and I'll tip my hat to him.

You sir on the other hand are devoid of absolutely any credibility and I'm shocked you would try and post a defense.

I maintain a flawless track record of exposing your cheating and fibbing. Come at me bro.

[Nirgon]

Originally Posted by oldfish [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

In practice, i have never heard in 2 years of playing Rallos that training was illegal, as it was such a widespread and accepted part of the pvp experience.

This is ... lol... just... pffft.

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Now offering legal advice! Get at me.

[heartbrand]

Here's the real issue that it all comes down to. There's not enough people to enforce these rules, and the enforcement that exists has been incredibly uneven. Nihilum intentionally exploited dragons, logs show it, fraps show it, even a screenshot of Hughman admitting about the ongoing exploitation of nagafen, but yet holocaust was suspended and disbanded but Nihilum went unpunished.

At the time of the holocaust suspension, the numbers in each guild were farily equal, and holocaust had been pushing nihilums shit in. The suspension allowed nihilum to farm loot uncontested for multiple weeks, use said loot to progress further, recruit more people since they were the only show in town, demoralized those suspended leading them to ultimately quit. So I ask, where is the equal treatment of nihilum with a suspension as well? Where is their guild disband? Oh, that's right.

Case in point, last week, beovvulf zones in, is frapped using eye of zomm to set off DT cycle (at that time it was established that doing so was now a suspendable offense), forced us to all camp, which then brought the nihilum zerg forces in for PVP. Crazycloud trained them back, and was suspended, beovvulf was a-ok. This tactic allowed them to sit in fear and farm the entire day. Even GMing.

The other day, Skelly zones in, pulls entire temple on us, forces us to zone/camp, etc., then the zerg forces enter. We return the favor on them Xantille suspended. Skelly? A-ok. Nihilum now allowed to sit in fear and farm.

I've witnessed countless LDC trains to Naggy/FG's etc., not even going to bother going on about how ridiculous it is that Nihilum got EXP rezzes that one time and we never have in the face of Emumu train after Emumu train in Sol B. Complete joke.

I've sent so many petitions, reports, fraps, to staff with people admitting brazenly and proudly that they have trained me or holocaust but zero action, certainly not a Nihilum style CSR Rez.

I want to stress something, I wouldn't care if training was legal, I would simply adapt, adjust, etc., however, apparently it isn't if you have a holocaust tag but it's a-ok if you're nihilum, that doesn't sit right with me. The uneven ruling on this server is a travesty.

I could give fifteen more examples right now but there's no point anymore, I find myself finally agreeing with emperor cast, it's too late to wipe this shit clean, just burn it down.

[loserofgame]

Originally Posted by Rallyd [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The only reason anyone would need grand clarification on rules is so that they could get as close to breaking them as possible.

Well, that is not the only reason someone would need clarification on rules. For example, people who intend to follow rules might want clarification to ensure they are not breaking them for reasons other than getting as close to breaking them as possible. Honest people, for instance(of which there are many on this server, despite what the forums will tell you).

You are right in saying that there will always be individuals and groups who will bend rules as much as possible without breaking them, or break rules as much as possible without getting caught. That's true not just on this server, but anywhere. And I do not think that such people are in only one guild on this server, either.

That said, rules, if written properly, and enforced justly, are good. They can protect some aspects of player enjoyment, not just in raiding guilds but on the entire server.

However, I would think that on a very lawless server such as r99, less is certainly more.

[Nirgon]

I think it is obvious when people are trying to break the rules and get away with it (more lucky than exploit, a real knee slapper).

I also think it is entirely possible to remove almost every grey area from the rules.

Given obvious previous attempts and infractions resulting, it is easy enough to prove intent and punish accordingly.

[oldfish]

Originally Posted by Nirgon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This is ... lol... just... pffft.

Yea Pfft all you want.

Rallos Oasis in 01-02? "Spectres to dock!", daily.

[Nirgon]

I know for a fact many players who were suspended and then banned for repeated training.

But please, continue.