Myconid Spore King - Monk Solo

[Snaggles]

As long as variables are consistent people can compare themselves with the OP. Go try to kill the king using a similar setup.

Or just posture on the forums about theoretical scenarios. Thats very EQ as well.

PS: I didn’t read the last 50 pages so probably missed the context.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Snaggles [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

As long as variables are consistent people can compare themselves with the OP. Go try to kill the king using a similar setup.

Or just posture on the forums about theoretical scenarios. Thats very EQ as well.

PS: I didn’t read the last 50 pages so probably missed the context.

You are correct. A few posters kept trying to diminish OP's accomplishments, and then they started trolling non-stop when posters like myself disagreed with their posts and ideas.

I will note those posters who tried to diminish OP have not soloed Fungi King to my knowledge. The hardest mob shown was a cliff golem on a druid.
Back on topic:

Reposting OP's epic video where he kills Fungi King solo with his monk, no consumables:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wONdIYAofyQ

https://wiki.project1999.com/Solo_Artist_Challenge

It deserves the highest ranking of [S] when following the solo artist challenge wiki page. Please note the wiki page was changed after OP did his video, and the changes are still in dispute. [S+] did not exist as a rank previously.

[Zuranthium]

Nobody agrees with you. The page is now more informative, more representative, more professional, less vague, and doesn't contradict itself. If you again try to vandalize the wiki against what the community has shown they want, you will be punished.

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

A few posters kept trying to diminish OP's accomplishments, and then they started trolling non-stop

No, many people correctly pointed out that receiving outside buffs is not a 100% solo.

If someone feels "diminished" by that fact, it's their own problem. It does not change the reality of the gameplay.

The troll of the thread is you, spamming endlessly after Stryker told you multiple times he doesn't want you posting here and doesn't want to be associated with you. And then trying to disrupt the wiki and cling onto a bad, outdated page that in fact diminished Stryker's accomplishment (and the accomplishments of tons of other people), since it had no consideration for soloing without consumables.

WarpathEQ's post early in the thread is how most everyone feels:

Originally Posted by WarpathEQ

I'm not trying to demerit your accomplishment, this was not a personal attack

My personal viewpoint is that calling something solo that requires multiple players to accomplish is simply mis-labeling.

Was it challenging? Yes
Was it an accomplishment? Yes
Was it possibly the first time done in these conditions on P99? Maybe, although unlikely given the amount of geared monks out there that farm fungis
Was it done solo? Nope

There shouldn't have been any need for the insanity that happened afterwards, but as usual DSM did his thing of failing to understand a conversation/concept, and failed to control his broken ego, rabidly posting the same wrong bullshit over and over, in hopes that spamming would somehow legitimatize him (it only has the opposite effect, which he still doesn't realize).

Regarding if this was the first time a Monk has killed spore king in these conditions, it isn't. Maybe the first public video though? So that's good to have.

BTW, if people want to kill the spore king without consumables and only utilizing their own characters, there are easier and "more solo" ways to do it:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Mz15db1Pjg. Stryker's kill requires another player to log on his other characters and buff him, but here is a way to do it just by yourself.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Zuranthium [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Stryker told you multiple times he doesn't want you posting here and doesn't want to be associated with you.

Stryker85 never said this about me anywhere in the thread. You can check the post history.

Stryker85 explicitly said who he thought the trolls were. He was talking about posters like yourself and Samoht:

https://www.project1999.com/forums/s...5&postcount=76

Originally Posted by Stryker85 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If the trolls could please refrain from expressing your unwanted opinions about this not being "solo enough" for your standards, that would be great. Not holding my breath though.

https://www.project1999.com/forums/s...&postcount=185

Originally Posted by Stryker85 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Let me help you with that, their opinion isn't legitimate, and it has nothing to do with the wiki. Their standards for these attempts are solo with self buffs only, which is not even remotely possible. Or as another moron recommended, self buffs with 300+ wort charges, which would be completely idiotic and require zero skill. These people are not arguing in good faith, they are trying to detract from an accomplishment that they clearly know NOTHING about, based on their moronic standards and recommendations.

Stryker85 thanked me for defending him from posters like yourself and Samoht:

https://www.project1999.com/forums/s...&postcount=171

Originally Posted by Stryker85 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yall need to let it go. It's really not that important. I appreciate you coming to my defense DeathsSilkyMist, but I'm really not worried about these idiots at all, and you shouldn't be either.

[Stryker85]

Originally Posted by Zuranthium [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Nobody agrees with you. The page is now more informative, more representative, more professional, less vague, and doesn't contradict itself. If you again try to vandalize the wiki against what the community has shown they want, you will be punished.

Wrong, actually, from what I can tell the majority of people that have frequented this thread actually do side with DSM, including myself. Changing the wiki to suit your own vision and unreasonable expectations does nothing but ruin the legacy of the people that have achieved great things under those already predefined conditions.

Originally Posted by Zuranthium [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

No, many people correctly pointed out that receiving outside buffs is not a 100% solo.

By "many people" you mean you, Samoht, and this Warpath guy. 3 jealous idiots that still don't understand that diminishing this kill because I was buffed is POINTLESS when its completely impossible to do without buffs (as a melee) in the first place. There is a reason that melee only are allowed outside buffs, because they are already at a severe disadvantage.

Originally Posted by Zuranthium [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The troll of the thread is you, spamming endlessly after Stryker told you multiple times he doesn't want you posting here and doesn't want to be associated with you.

I literally never said any of that. Way to just make up more bullshit to suit your narrative though. Kinda tells you everything you need to know about this person.

Originally Posted by Zuranthium [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Regarding if this was the first time a Monk has killed spore king in these conditions, it isn't. Maybe the first public video though? So that's good to have.

Woooow talk about BULLSHIT. There you go again just making up more shit to suit your narrative. It most definitely has NOT been solo'd by a monk in this fashion before. I would love to see any remote shred of evidence that this is true. How about a name? Let's start there.

Originally Posted by Zuranthium [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

BTW, if people want to kill the spore king without consumables and only utilizing their own characters, there are easier and "more solo" ways to do it:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Mz15db1Pjg. Stryker's kill requires another player to log on his other characters and buff him, but here is a way to do it just by yourself.

The fact that you are trying to claim this kill is more "solo" than mine is genuinely hilarious. The dude had to swap to a completely different character and class for the pull / kill. So let me get this straight. You're trying to tell me you think that using more than 1 character and class to kill something still counts as "solo", but a melee using anything but self buffs isn't? I can't tell if you're really just that stupid, or just that envious and petty.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Stryker85 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Wrong, actually, from what I can tell the majority of people that have frequented this thread actually do side with DSM, including myself. Changing the wiki to suit your own vision and unreasonable expectations does nothing but ruin the legacy of the people that have achieved great things under those already predefined conditions.


By "many people" you mean you, Samoht, and this Warpath guy. 3 jealous idiots that still don't understand that diminishing this kill because I was buffed is POINTLESS when its completely impossible to do without buffs (as a melee) in the first place. There is a reason that melee only are allowed outside buffs, because they are already at a severe disadvantage.


I literally never said any of that. Way to just make up more bullshit to suit your narrative though. Kinda tells you everything you need to know about this person.


Woooow talk about BULLSHIT. There you go again just making up more shit to suit your narrative. It most definitely has NOT been solo'd by a monk in this fashion before. I would love to see any remote shred of evidence that this is true. How about a name? Let's start there.


The fact that you are trying to claim this kill is more "solo" than mine is genuinely hilarious. The dude had to swap to a completely different character and class for the pull / kill. So let me get this straight. You're trying to tell me you think that using more than 1 character and class to kill something still counts as "solo", but a melee using anything but self buffs isn't? I can't tell if you're really just that stupid, or just that envious and petty.

Very well said. His link to that Druid/Enchanter video didn't make any sense to me either. I have no idea what point he was trying to make with that.

[Zuranthium]

Originally Posted by Stryker85 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

By "many people" you mean you, Samoht, and this Warpath guy. 3 jealous idiots that still don't understand that diminishing this kill because I was buffed is POINTLESS when its completely impossible to do without buffs (as a melee) in the first place.

It's far more than us 3 and nobody is jealous. That is your own projection. You continue to incorrectly think anyone here is "diminishing" the kill. The only thing that diminished what you were trying to do is the old wiki page, as there was no tier difference between using consumables or not. According to what you're trying to say, if you continue to think that way, then your own video is not a relevant achievement.

It's very likely possible to do without buffs. It was explained what would need to be done and you ignored the discussion.

Originally Posted by Stryker85 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Changing the wiki to suit your own vision and unreasonable expectations does nothing but ruin the legacy of the people that have achieved great things under those already predefined conditions.

It's not my own rules and it's not unreasonable expectations. It's literally how the game is played and what has already been done by many people.

Not changing the wiki is what would result in the legacies of many players being ruined, as their accomplishments would not be recognized. The achievements of people who submitted under the outdated, contradictory tier split is preserved regardless and not going anywhere. There weren't many who bothered submitting in the first place, and there were ZERO melee players who submitted themselves for the top ranks of the challenge.

Originally Posted by Stryker85 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

There is a reason that melee only are allowed outside buffs, because they are already at a severe disadvantage.

It's the inherent nature of the game that classes have different levels of soloing capability. The challenge has never been and never will be equal between each class. What's relevant is the ceiling that each class can achieve SOLO. Doing something that's easy for an Enchanter can still be relatively impressive when done with a weak solo class.

Monks are NOT at a severe disadvantage compared to all casters. Clerics and Wizards can't solo shit without using the restricted clickies, Mages are very restricted in what they can pull (and with chain pet aggro being broken for the past years on p99, they are extremely restricted), Druids are inferior anywhere they can't charm.

Originally Posted by Stryker85 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I literally never said any of that.

You did. "I don't want you defending me, you should let it go"

Originally Posted by Stryker85 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It most definitely has NOT been solo'd by a monk in this fashion before.

Yes it has. Already happened quite some time ago on Red - a server that does not have item recharging and made it so people weren't regularly trying to use that stuff in the first place.

Originally Posted by Stryker85 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The dude had to swap to a completely different character and class for the pull / kill

You require ANOTHER PLAYER and MULTIPLE OTHER CLASSES BUFFING YOU in order to complete the kill.

His kill required ONE PLAYER ONLY.

What you did is still considered a "better tier" in terms of the challenge page (see, it's not my exact rules) but in terms of looking at what a SINGLE player could accomplish on their own in a play session, he factually did it by himself only. You did not.

[Stryker85]

Originally Posted by Zuranthium [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It's far more than us 3 and nobody is jealous. That is your own projection.

Oh really? Please name them, if it is more then 3, its definitely not more than the amount of people that have come here praising the kill rather than trying to dispute that it was solo.

Originally Posted by Zuranthium [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It's very likely possible to do without buffs. It was explained what would need to be done and you ignored the discussion.

If I missed this earlier in the thread, its because I tuned out while y'all were pointing the finger back and forth at who attacked who first for 20+ pages. Please do enlighten me on how you expect ANY CLASS (much less a melee class for that matter), to solo this without any outside buffs or consumable charges. It simply cannot be done, period.

Originally Posted by Zuranthium [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It's not my own rules and it's not unreasonable expectations. It's literally how the game is played and what has already been done by many people.

This might be the most ridiculous thing I've heard in this whole thread. It is 100% your own rules as you are the one that changed the wiki according to your own standards. The reason why your standards are unreasonable is because it makes the assumption that it is possible under higher standards (without buffs), when it most certainly is not. If you want to add another tier that is without consumables - fine. No one is arguing against that, but changing the wiki from the previous rule set which allowed melee to compete for the most difficult kills because you think "its literally how the game is played" is fucking ridiculous. Are you honestly trying to sit here and tell us that no body plays the game with outside buffs? Any time ANYONE goes to try to solo a camp, they're going to try to get outside buffs to make things safer, more efficient, or even possible at all. That is just common sense. The fact that you are trying to argue otherwise just proves how disingenuous your argument is in the first place.

Originally Posted by Zuranthium [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It's the inherent nature of the game that classes have different levels of soloing capability. The challenge has never been and never will be equal between each class. What's relevant is the ceiling that each class can achieve SOLO. Doing something that's easy for an Enchanter can still be relatively impressive when done with a weak solo class.

See this is you trying to force your opinion on the matter again. You are the one claiming that the only thing relevant is the ceiling that each class can achieve by your definition of "solo". I disagree with that completely. I think that there's a lot of other factors that make kills like this very relevant, especially under conditions that are extremely difficult (no worts, reaper, puppet strings, slowstone amber, etc) and has never been done before. Having outside buffs does not make this kill less relevant, it would only do so if it were possible to do with just self buffs, which it's not.

Originally Posted by Zuranthium [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You did. "I don't want you defending me, you should let it go"

Here you go being a straight up disingenuous liar again. You act like we can't just read back through the thread and quote your words verbatim. You said:
The troll of the thread is you, spamming endlessly after Stryker told you multiple times he doesn't want you posting here and doesn't want to be associated with you.

That is not even remotely close to what I actually said, which was:
Yall need to let it go. It's really not that important. I appreciate you coming to my defense DeathsSilkyMist, but I'm really not worried about these idiots at all, and you shouldn't be either.
Way to lie and try to twist things to suit your own narrative again though. We can all see the kind of person you are.

Originally Posted by Zuranthium [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yes it has. Already happened quite some time ago on Red - a server that does not have item recharging and made it so people weren't regularly trying to use that stuff in the first place.

Again here you go making up ABSOLUTE BULLSHIT. I've known plenty of people that played on Red over the years. How about a name? How about literally any fucking shred of evidence what-so-ever?

Originally Posted by Zuranthium [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You require ANOTHER PLAYER and MULTIPLE OTHER CLASSES BUFFING YOU in order to complete the kill.

His kill required ONE PLAYER ONLY.

What you did is still considered a "better tier" in terms of the challenge page (see, it's not my exact rules) but in terms of looking at what a SINGLE player could accomplish on their own in a play session, he factually did it by himself only. You did not.

You act like the other people buffing me are there assisting me with the kill. They are buffing MY CHARACTER. Their buffs make MY CHARACTER stronger, but guess what - its still just MY CHARACTER on the encounter log. I was the only person being attacked, taking damage, dealing damage, pulling, etc. You trying to argue against this just proves how envious and petty you are. I'm convinced it has to be that, because no one can be this stupid. Trying to act like people don't play this game with outside buffs is completely and utterly ridiculous, especially when the kill in question wouldn't even be remotely possible otherwise.

[Zuranthium]

Originally Posted by Stryker85 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Oh really? Please name them, if it is more then 3, its definitely not more than the amount of people that have come here praising the kill

Shovelquest and Cd both did in this thread alone. People praising the kill doesn't mean they agree with flawed rulesets or think it wouldn't be more impressive to do without outside buffs.

You've created a false equivalency in your head and are failing to have any degree of objectivity or critical analysis. Right now you think anyone who doesn't treat you like a god walking on water is out to get you and must be jealous. Fix that ridiculous mindset.

Originally Posted by Stryker85 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Please do enlighten me on how you expect a MONK to solo this without any outside buffs or consumable charges.

You need to have the self-heal breastplate first of all, which you don't (look at how long it took you to regen), and probably some other better gear. And an instant snare proc would help a lot. Look at how much damage you took at the start. With luck that part of the fight will happen faster/instantly and save a ton of HP.

This all can be calculated beforehand, for any fight. Go parse the average DPS you can do to spore king against the average DPS it does to you, and the maximum amount of regen time you can have before respawn happens.

Originally Posted by Stryker85 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It is 100% your own rules

No it isn't. It's the exact different ways people have completed challenges.

Why are you trying to deny the accomplishments of other people?

If the challenge page already had better tiers from the start you never would be saying any of this in the first place, it's so obvious. You're simply trying to parrot something that was written down on paper, by a single person, as if it's the infallible word of god. It's not, and many people over a decade ago were already saying the rules needed to be formulated better.

Originally Posted by Stryker85 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You are the one claiming that the only thing relevant is the ceiling that each class can achieve by your definition of "solo". I disagree with that completely.

I never said that's the only relevant thing, you again fail to comprehend. And you continue to ignore the fact that classes have different levels of solo capability. The solo artist challenge was NEVER remotely fair between different classes, and your statement that Monks are more disadvantaged than other casters on average is wrong.

Originally Posted by Stryker85 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

That is not what I actually said

You asked them to stop posting. I'm not going to debate your useless semantics, you have no real point to make.

Originally Posted by Stryker85 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I've known plenty of people that played on Red over the years.

And? You don't know most players, much less what has happened at a singular spawn over the course of many years on a server you don't even play on. I was there myself to do the buffs on the alt account and they were the only other person in zone. That is the norm of farming on Red and account sharing was especially prevalent because we generally only put 1 character per account, thanks to the very short rez timers for pvp deaths that count down if you're still on the same account.

Originally Posted by Stryker85 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

How about literally any fucking shred of evidence what-so-ever?

Where is the evidence of others who listed themselves long ago and didn't give any, that you pretend to care about and don't question at all? The whole challenge page says it's self-reported and no video/pic needed. Tons of players have done many different kills over the years and never posted about it anywhere, because they don't care and are just playing the game. And seeing as it was nothing special, ofc I wouldn't take a screenshot.

Originally Posted by Stryker85 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You act like the other people buffing me are there assisting me with the kill. They are buffing MY CHARACTER.

That. Doesn't. Matter. IT IS MORE THAN ONE PLAYER. The buffs exactly do assist with the kill, that's why you're getting them, because you need them. LMAO.

What do you not understand about the fact that you did NOT do the camp with one player!? Why are you trying to deny the achievements of people who CAN do the camp on their own??

You said at the start of the thread the whole reason for this was because you wanted to create a sustainable way to kill spore king. If that's your goal, then there are much easier ways to do it. You could pull with a snare class, log over to a shaman and slow the spore king, and then log on the Monk to DPS it down.

And like I already said, it doesn't affect the tier of the challenge page. I am talking about objectively playing the game and what is most efficient for being able to kill something, and what can factually be done with ONE player, rather than needing to depend on someone else logging on to help.

[Duik]

You guys are fucking hilarious.

One guy does "a thing" posts a video. Good times.

Changes up *something* and does it (objectively) better. Makes video. Hides nothing. Buffs pots cluckies etc all shown in video.


Lighten the fuck up all of you.

Leaving cluckies in. BE KAUSE!