Current Sky Schedule - Page 41

starguitar33 · #1 08-23-2013, 10:43 AM

from Boilon:
"The point about BDA reaching out to us is very poor. I don't care what Chest says or anyone else but their demands were very insulting and not something we could possibly accommodate at all. I also do not like the way the other American guilds feel that they are entitled something just because they were the first people to pick it up, this is not sharing but ignorance and greed."

Europa's demands for 'everyone contacting them or they take sky' were very ignorant, and them just walzing into sky is extremely insulting. I don't think we should accommodate at all now. You've burned that bridge.
I think its funny that Europa feels that they are entitled something just because they weren't (and still aren't) even able to pick it up, ESPECIALLY when they ALREADY have their OWN TIME.

>>Wednesday - Early EST - Europa, Late EST - Divinity <<

They also proved by wiping yesterday that they are only ready to raid Crushbone, not sky.

YendorLootmonkey · #2 08-23-2013, 12:08 PM

Europa, I would take a very close look at your leadership and how they are representing you right now. They are on the brink of having many of the guilds on this rotation go out of their way to ensure you can't just waltz up and take whatever you want. I'm sure many of the guilds would band together to clear Sky in the AM to ensure the mobs they want are respawned for their main raid. I don't speak for any of the guilds here of course, but I am just putting myself in the shoes of an Europa member and I know *I* would be concerned about Europa's leadership inadvertently turning a bunch of guilds against Europa on this.

Developing your guild into a raid guild and learning to work together is a tremendous step forward, and I applaud and respect you for wanting to take on harder targets in upper Sky. But with that evolution into a raid guild also comes the additional responsibility of diplomatically dealing with the other raid guilds. And you can go in one of two directions on that... working with us or rubbing us the wrong way. The choice is yours... but you may want to compel your leadership that the path of least resistance is to identify what day you want to field a Sky raid, identifying which guild has that day on the rotation, and contacting that guild's leadership directly to work something out.

Trust me... it'll go a lot easier than coming in here and demanding all the guilds reach out to you to work something out and expect them to cater to your whims, and when they don't, you go up anyway and shit all over the guild you perceived would let you use them as a doormat.

Do you see the difference in the approaches, or is this maybe a cultural difference thing?

starguitar33 · #3 08-23-2013, 10:50 AM

also, if you look on their guild forum on p1999, they say that they took out spiroc lord on the 1st and the 14th. they even have pics. so idk what this BS is about them not able to do sky.

arsenalpow · #4 08-23-2013, 11:46 AM

Europa just isn't on the same page. Sherrypie was the person who said a while back that they'd do sky whenever they felt like it which triggered our AM clears, and then Boilon is the one that's been spouting a bunch of rhetoric lately. It's a shame because they have people like Malfrat who I like and Hallyguk who was pleasant to coordinate with.

Sky is all on an 8 hour respawn except for the isle 7 trash which is 24 hours. If they wanted to coordinate some high island kills they could have but instead it's easier to hide behind some lies and do whatever they want. Divinity accommodated Europa, BDA and FE reached out.

If Europa wants this fixed I'd hope that another representative steps forward because Boilon isn't doing the guild any favors.

-Catherin- · #5 08-23-2013, 11:58 AM

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Europa just isn't on the same page. Sherrypie was the person who said a while back that they'd do sky whenever they felt like it which triggered our AM clears, and then Boilon is the one that's been spouting a bunch of rhetoric lately. It's a shame because they have people like Malfrat who I like and Hallyguk who was pleasant to coordinate with.

Sky is all on an 8 hour respawn except for the isle 7 trash which is 24 hours. If they wanted to coordinate some high island kills they could have but instead it's easier to hide behind some lies and do whatever they want. Divinity accommodated Europa, BDA and FE reached out.

If Europa wants this fixed I'd hope that another representative steps forward because Boilon isn't doing the guild any favors.

Other members of Europa have also drank that Kool-Aid as they are spouting the same exact rhetoric to me in tells

Nobody was out to get you guys. Heck, most people held you in really high regard. But if you choose to continue down this path then who knows

-Catherin- · #6 08-23-2013, 12:05 PM

heres what SHOULD be happening

http://www.project1999.org/forums/sh...d.php?t=114783

Oompaa · #7 08-23-2013, 12:16 PM

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also, if you look on their guild forum on p1999, they say that they took out spiroc lord on the 1st and the 14th. they even have pics. so idk what this BS is about them not able to do sky.

Spiroc Lord has nothing to do with the upper isles.

starguitar33 · #8 08-23-2013, 12:45 PM

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Spiroc Lord has nothing to do with the upper isles.

so? Europa is crying that they don't have a sky day.
>They have a sky day.
Europa is crying that they're not allowed to kill any islands higher than spirocs?
>they demonstrated their ability WIPE on NERFED mobs. (The only ones who won in sky yesterday were the mobs. they got to live longer because nobody in Europa could kill them)

Also, what does this have to do with the douchbaggery shown by Europa when they raid sky on someone else's night, or when they expected other guilds to contact them?

Children act like this when their parents tell them no.
kid: Hey mom, can I have a soda?
parent: No(because it'll keep you up all night)!
kid: Fine I'll just STEAL IT.
parent: time for a whipping
kid: ow,ow,oh god ow, ow, ow (sounds like europa needs a spanking)

HallygukRZ · #9 08-23-2013, 06:22 PM

Dear community of p99

We would like to clarify our decision on why we as a guild decided to raid PoSky on last Thursday. In the process, we would like to also address some of the accusations thrown our way.

First of all, understand that on this matter, all of the Europa council speaks as one, so attacks against individual officers are moot. Also, we coordinate our way forward with our memberbase so understand that this was a guild decision. It is much to our regret that things have come to this as we consider ourselves to be good people with a code of conduct we always to stick to - no matter how dirty things can get on p99.

As most of our members live in the European timezone our prime raid time starts at 19:00 CET (13:00 EST). We cannot start earlier, because we are a casual guild, all of our members have a life, with jobs and families. With repops in Sky at 8 hours for the lower isles, you do the math: An "AM" slot is no option for us, if the demand from the guild following us is that they have repops at their prime time.

As for the actual situation: Europa had exactly one slot in sky, for isles 1-5, on a 14-day basis, sharing them with Divinity. However, we progressed over the last months and no one was willing to share Sky on a bi-weekly basis with us. Proof? Sky rotation thread here. Although this is the single occassion where we would have time zone advantage, we delayed the decision for 1-2 months to try and find an agreement within the guilds on P99.

We have approached BDA on the matter, and no, we did not state we WILL take their day, we tried to explain to them that we COULD do it, and that we were nevertheless trying to find an agreement with them. The reaction was a) the "generous" offer to raid early enough so they are not affected, and when we declined that, b) the pre-emptive clearing of the lower isles with an early task force to make sure Europa could not get a shot at mobs. This while we didn't even plan to go up there on that day.

After some more weeks here on the sky rotation thread without results, we had a long internal discussion how to proceed. We concluded that our only option to raid upper isles is to do it on a day of our choice, and that informing anyone of a planned raid would most likely lead to the same destructive approach that BDA is doing on fridays. That is why we did not contact Taken beforehand.

Finally, the day we chose has nothing to do with the guild who is on the rotation on that day, it is simply the day that suits us best. With the one exception that we did not want to interfere with Divinity because they have been the only guild that was kind enough to let us have a shot at Sky (within our time limitations).

Please understand that the refusal of sharing any acceptable raid time with Europa (by all guilds on the rotation) has left us with the option of doing Sky when we want to, or skipping Sky content. Ask yourself: What would you have done in our situation?

Personal insults, threats, attempts at sabotage or intimidation are not getting anyone anywhere. Are we sorry? We are genuinely sorry things came to this, but we had no other choice. Will we apologize? No, because we did everything we could to sort this out peacefully but no one cared. Will we negotiate? Absolutely.

We will gladly accept a 14 day rotation for PoSky.

Signed by the <Europa> officers
Asterid, Dagorn, Hallyguk, Powtle, Sebekkha and Sherrypie.

Joyelle · #10 08-23-2013, 06:56 PM

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After some more weeks here on the sky rotation thread without results, we had a long internal discussion how to proceed. We concluded that our only option to raid upper isles is to do it on a day of our choice, and that informing anyone of a planned raid would most likely lead to the same destructive approach that BDA is doing on fridays. That is why we did not contact Taken beforehand.

So never in your lengthy deliberations did you even think to contact Taken directly to try to work out a deal since our Sky day happens to be the most convenient for you? You openly admit to covert operations to screw over our guild for your personal gain. You rightly deserve whatever is coming to you, because you brought it upon yourselves.

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Ask yourself: What would you have done in our situation?

I am confident that our leadership would have made an exhaustive effort to contact the appropriate parties and broker some sort of deal if we were in your situation. The fact was not that nobody was willing to work with you, but you were unwilling to put forth the effort to peacefully negotiate for what you wanted. I think you may have been surprised at the results had you simply asked directly.