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[Trouble]

The reason Europa didn't say anything to anyone about when they were going up is because they tried to warn a guild of their poaching before they did it in the past and they got outpoached. At least it happened to Taken.

[Striiker]

Here's how it went down from my perspective.. I was contacted by an officer of Taken that Europa was taking Sky from us today. I honestly thought this was a mistake because I had thought highly of Europa up to that point. I logged in (I was camped out in Sky) and sure enough, they were there and fighting Spiroc Lord.
I established contact with Asterid (Boilon on P99 forums), one of the leaders of Europa (they lead by council, not a single leader with officers). The basics of the conversation were that they had asked to be contacted by guilds via this thread regarding working on sky rotation changes and only FE had responded (apparently not true as BDA had also responded.) Asterid came across with an aggressive and dick-ish manner while I was trying to be polite and have a meaningful conversation. I managed to remain civil and asked that we resume discussions via PM (nothing received yet). He indicated that because he posted in this forum and bumped the thread and waited a week that it was sufficient to justify rolling into Sky on Taken's allotted night without any effort at direct communication with myself or any other officer in Taken. It's quite a simple thing to do too (click on Taken's recruitment thread and select one of many ways to contact us directly (email, PM, guild website, etc). Nothing was done and the line being towed by Europa's leadership is that it's not their fault they decided to do this.. It's our fault for not reading a post in a forum thread 40+ pages deep and then for initiating contact with them.

[Thu Aug 22 16:23:28 2013] You told Asterid, 'My guild contact information is available and known to your guild leadership (I had contacteds someone regarding working together on stuff, which I am sure you are aware of)'
[Thu Aug 22 16:23:53 2013] Asterid tells you, 'i dont care whos contact information is available to whom, I REQUESTED ALL GUILDS to PM me on the forums if they wanted to work to a resolution for sky with Europa'
[Thu Aug 22 16:24:06 2013] Asterid tells you, 'I was not to send a PM to everyone, they were to PM us'

Pretty ballsy to be so arrogant as to demand that others contact him as he is apparently above such pedestrian activities..

I told him that he was screwing over Taken and felt that he had negative tune with me and he said..

[Thu Aug 22 16:21:49 2013]i have no idea what your talking about, we rolled a dice 1-5 monday-friday'
[Thu Aug 22 16:21:55 2013] Asterid tells you, 'completely random day'

This is utter bullshit and we ALL know it. (never mind that they had an offer of Friday already). Taken was chosen because we have a reputation for being laid back and not prone to reacting harshly when faced with asshattery.. I truly doubt that they would have stepped on FE's or BDA's nights like this as those guilds are much less forgiving of such things.
He then had to audacity to tell me

[Thu Aug 22 16:25:12 2013] Asterid tells you, 'if you would like to enter further negotiations with us we can talk it out and see what we can work with now, but as far as i see it nobody was interested in contacting me'

Sorry but nobody would ever negotiate with someone that has wronged them or behaved like dicks as Europa has done. I will not negotiate jack-shit with them now. They can post another apology on the forums for all to see and explain again that they made dumb-ass decisions and behaved poorly and in direct contradiction to the established and agreed upon rotations in Sky. They can apologize for wasting the time of 40 people who had to make key corpses. They can also repay us the expense we experienced porting to sky for key corpse refreshes. I will then consider hearing them out and working on an agreement.

The really sad part of this is that had he reached out to me directly, we would have gladly worked on a compromise and perhaps done some joint raids etc. This shit storm would have never happened had the leaders in Europa like Asterid made the simple effort of writing a PM to me. They didn't even have the decency to contact us to let us know of their intentions.

This should concern all guilds, not just Taken. You should each be reassessing your opinions and trust concerning Europa. This sky rotation was one of the two rare areas on the server where all guilds agreed to work together on a schedule (the Ragefire rotation was the other) and Europa decided that they were above it all. The days offered to them were not to their liking so they decided to steal from others.

[mtb tripper]

any euro guilds on blue?

[arsenalpow]

Originally Posted by Trouble [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The reason Europa didn't say anything to anyone about when they were going up is because they tried to warn a guild of their poaching before they did it in the past and they got outpoached. At least it happened to Taken.

Europa approached us and said we're going up whether you like it or not at whatever time is best for us, which is why we've been clearing sky during the AM on Friday to ensure our mobs are there for us at during the PM raid. Europa then approached us about using that AM slot (the prior conversation) and everything seemed fine, they didn't show up but it wasn't a big deal.

Today was pretty messed up though and i don't even like Taken. I don't think Europa had any intent on working with another guild. Looks like they were wiping anyways so it's probably moot.

[-Catherin-]

Just as an fyi too. Fear was being pretty conservative with those logs that he posted, He is a really chill guy, and even now what you have seen I consider the lesser of the rest that was said. The way he was treated was absolutely shameful on Europa's part and there was absolutely no need for it. There was no desire shown to work together AT ALL.

I try not to stereotype people by their guild they are in. been with plenty of Europa that have been grand. Even get along with some BDA [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

But you guys are making it hard to see this as anything else other than a direct attack on us and the rotation as a whole by ALL of your members. If you were at that raid, you knowingly broke the rotation and have shown nothing but contempt to us.

I'm willing to work with anyone else on the current sky rotation to do what it takes to show you that you cant just do what you want and destroy it.

Or maybe you can rethink what you are doing and we can try to handle this like adults. /gasp, I know I know

[Oompaa]

Europa does have a Sky slot, and that's Wednesdays prior to Divinity going up. The only thing that has changed is now that the upper isles have been nerfed, guilds who would otherwise be unable to clear them are able to make the attempt now. This is the new conflict with the current Sky schedule.

It was only a matter of time. More guilds + more toons 55+ without any new content for years, means not enough room in the kiddie pool and people getting upset.

[starguitar33]

from Boilon:
"The point about BDA reaching out to us is very poor. I don't care what Chest says or anyone else but their demands were very insulting and not something we could possibly accommodate at all. I also do not like the way the other American guilds feel that they are entitled something just because they were the first people to pick it up, this is not sharing but ignorance and greed."

Europa's demands for 'everyone contacting them or they take sky' were very ignorant, and them just walzing into sky is extremely insulting. I don't think we should accommodate at all now. You've burned that bridge.
I think its funny that Europa feels that they are entitled something just because they weren't (and still aren't) even able to pick it up, ESPECIALLY when they ALREADY have their OWN TIME.

>>Wednesday - Early EST - Europa, Late EST - Divinity <<

They also proved by wiping yesterday that they are only ready to raid Crushbone, not sky.

[starguitar33]

also, if you look on their guild forum on p1999, they say that they took out spiroc lord on the 1st and the 14th. they even have pics. so idk what this BS is about them not able to do sky.

[arsenalpow]

Europa just isn't on the same page. Sherrypie was the person who said a while back that they'd do sky whenever they felt like it which triggered our AM clears, and then Boilon is the one that's been spouting a bunch of rhetoric lately. It's a shame because they have people like Malfrat who I like and Hallyguk who was pleasant to coordinate with.

Sky is all on an 8 hour respawn except for the isle 7 trash which is 24 hours. If they wanted to coordinate some high island kills they could have but instead it's easier to hide behind some lies and do whatever they want. Divinity accommodated Europa, BDA and FE reached out.

If Europa wants this fixed I'd hope that another representative steps forward because Boilon isn't doing the guild any favors.

[-Catherin-]

Originally Posted by arsenalpow [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Europa just isn't on the same page. Sherrypie was the person who said a while back that they'd do sky whenever they felt like it which triggered our AM clears, and then Boilon is the one that's been spouting a bunch of rhetoric lately. It's a shame because they have people like Malfrat who I like and Hallyguk who was pleasant to coordinate with.

Sky is all on an 8 hour respawn except for the isle 7 trash which is 24 hours. If they wanted to coordinate some high island kills they could have but instead it's easier to hide behind some lies and do whatever they want. Divinity accommodated Europa, BDA and FE reached out.

If Europa wants this fixed I'd hope that another representative steps forward because Boilon isn't doing the guild any favors.

Other members of Europa have also drank that Kool-Aid as they are spouting the same exact rhetoric to me in tells

Nobody was out to get you guys. Heck, most people held you in really high regard. But if you choose to continue down this path then who knows