most underpowered class in game?

[Zeboim]

Rogue is the best DoT a healer can cast.

[Jimjam]

Excluding weaknesses of a class and comparing classes to whichever class is best in an area seems more like “what is least overpowered”, not “what is most underpowered”.

I think many of the points of discussion here are due to a difference in perspective on what defines ‘most underpowered’.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Jimjam [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I think many of the points of discussion here are due to a difference in perspective on what defines ‘most underpowered’.

Indeed. This discussion will have a lot of hidden assumptions from everybody involved. My approach is to look at how the average player actually ends up playing P99. So the focus is mostly on Solo/Group, with a minor emphasis in raid. I don't assume the average player is simply leveling a class and then quitting it immediately.

Warriors get more emphasis on raiding specifically because most players make Warriors for raiding.

Clerics and Rogues get more emphasis on Grouping because most player do not solo with Clerics and Rogues.

Mages get dinged heavily in this scenario because they are good at solo, group, and raid. But as said earlier, they don't do anything especially well, with the exception of CoTH. So the average player ends up quitting the class or making them a CoTH bot, because they realize they need a different class to do non-CoTH tasks better.

It's a tough call between Rogue and Mage, but I would say Rogues can progress more than Mages in terms of improvement, which is why people play them more at level 60. If you do decide to raid a Rogue can improve their gear and DPS. A Mage is still just going to be CoTH botting. It might have been a different story if Mage Epic was easy to get. In that case I might rate Rogues lower, since Mage Epic is a DPS improvement.

[Windez]

If we are excluding well known weaknesses, then mage's well known late game weakness shouldn't count against them. Like no one is picking mage for their late game prowess just like no one is picking rogue for their soloing ability.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Windez [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If we are excluding well known weaknesses, then mage's well known late game weakness shouldn't count against them. Like no one is picking mage for their late game prowess just like no one is picking rogue for their soloing ability.

I disagree. A game like Everquest is about character progression. That is the primary drive to play the game other than the social aspects. A class who's flaw is they stop progressing earlier than every other class is unforgivable. The exception is if you are specifically a player who enjoys leveling a character, but never wants to play their character once they reach high 50s or level 60. I would venture that this isn't the majority of players, based on how many high level characters are playing.

[Windez]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I disagree. A game like Everquest is about character progression. That is the primary drive to play the game other than the social aspects. A class who's flaw is they stop progressing earlier than every other class is unforgivable. The exception is if you are specifically a player who enjoys leveling a character, but never wants to play their character once they reach high 50s or level 60. I would venture that this isn't the majority of players, based on how many high level characters are playing.

None of that has anything to do with their relative power level, which is what is being discussed here.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Windez [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

None of that has anything to do with their relative power level, which is what is being discussed here.

It does, because power level is the very reason why they stop progressing earlier than every other class. If they were more powerful (such as having Utility and CC), they would be able to progress further.

[Windez]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It does, because power level is the very reason why they stop progressing earlier than every other class. If they were more powerful (such as having Utility and CC), they would be able to progress further.

No it doesn't. It just means they can get to their (effectively) maximum power value faster and easier than other classes. I doesn't change that value in any way.

[Castle2.0]

No one has the power of level 4 mage.

[PatChapp]

Originally Posted by Castle2.0 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

No one has the power of level 4 mage.

Yeah mage is s tier up to 55ish, still boring to play but very powerful.

Solid d after that