FE Raid Scene Proposal

[h0tr0d (shaere)]

Originally Posted by Funkutron5000 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

We're looking for a way that both opens up more mobs to the server while also providing a bit of reward for giving a higher effort.

This I wholeheartedly support and agree with. Well said.

[falkun]

Originally Posted by Funkutron5000 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It's about us looking to make a compromise between both the GM proposal and the Divinity one.

We're looking for a way that both opens up more mobs to the server while also providing a bit of reward for giving a higher effort.

Except your plan isn't between the Rogean and Divinity plans. It looks more like this:
Full Rotation >> Divinity Plan > Rogean Plan > FE Plan >> Full FFA.

Your reward for higher effort is VP, which you get to keep as FFA and tier2 conceded it a while ago.

[Durka]

Originally Posted by Tanthallas [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

o Seversomething

^^ This gets a +1 from me.

[doraf]

Originally Posted by falkun [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Doraf, preventing access is the problem for tier2 and the solution for tier1. Tier1 has always been about preventing access (see 200 Traks). Tier2 is about allowing access. Rogean's proposal allows tier1 guilds to prevent access to amongst each other and allowing tier2 guilds to open access amongst each other. The Divinity proposal allows the same, it just includes tier1 guilds in the open access first half of the month.

The FE proposal is BACK to preventing access. FE was heavily involved in Rogean proposal negotiations until it was revealed FE would get MORE mobs from the Divinity proposal. Now FE releases its own proposal that's based on the Divinity plan, but walls off (however low that wall is) raids. This feels like FE is backing away from the negotiating table.

So Corova, why are you locking those 4 out now? You weren't locking them out under the Rogean plan, and then you moved to the Divinity plan when you realized it would offer you more mobs than the Rogean plan. Again, this feels like FE is backing away from the negotiating table.

So, this is Sloan as I think you know. My Tanthallas account has some issues, so Doraf let me use this in the mean time.

1. The access levels for all guilds are blown open with this proposal. I even said we were open to letting some of the FFA mobs which are necessary for the move from Tier one to Tier 2 be not allowed for Tier 1 guilds - this removes ANY CLAIM that Tier 1 guilds can lock anyone out, PERIOD. What this feels like is that YOU are simply bitching to bitch because there is very little to bitch about here.

2. We are not locking anything out. Noone will be able to lock Tier One from anyone - IF you have any CONSTRUCTIVE ways to give Tier Two openings to get to Tier One then put them forth - I have already said that we are perfectly willing to accept them. I understand that the past may have scarred you, but this is getting ridiculous.

[h0tr0d (shaere)]

Whether you agree with it or not, we are no longer letting one or two guilds kill everything.

Deal with it.

Discussions will be kept in the raid discussion forum now.

[-Catherin-]

all I read in this is that CT, Inny, VS, and Trakanon are considered the property of T1 (all epic mobs that matter basically) and if any of the tier 2 guilds even want to "see" one of them for a few seconds they are going to have to submit themselves to the same toxic environment that it was made clear will not be tolerated anymore. In other words business as it has been usual until now. Thanks for Maestro though.

[doraf]

all you motherfuckers got an extra chromosome or something? This shit ain't hard to understand.

[Hitpoint]

Originally Posted by -Catherin- [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

all I read in this is that CT, Inny, VS, and Trakanon are considered the property of T1 (all epic mobs that matter basically) and if any of the tier 2 guilds even want to "see" one of them for a few seconds they are going to have to submit themselves to the same toxic environment that it was made clear will not be tolerated anymore. In other words business as it has been usual until now. Thanks for Maestro though.

Tier 1 has two weeks of full rotation. How is that toxic? I feel like a lot of people are confusing this proposal with so many others that use the same terms. All you have to do is get two kills on the specified mobs in two months. Your guilds already do that. If anything tier 1 rotation is going to be flooded. Isn't this exactly what you want?

[-Catherin-]

If those tier 1 mobs are rotated among everyone and not just tier 1 guilds then fine. the post leaves a lot to be misinterpreted to that part.

While that doesn't still mean im on board with it, if that's the case I retract my statement and apologize for my misunderstanding and "extra chromosome"...

no need to be insulting about it

[Tanthallas]

T1 has the potential to get flooded; insofar as t2 guilds cooperate, especially if we add to this proposal a few FFA mobs every month that T1 guilds are not allowed to touch, this is a definite thing.

There is ZERO issue of mobility here, t2 guilds are not subject to anything near the 'same toxic environment' that existed before. How can you possibly read that here?