Aftermath eating a full 10 days raid suspension

[khanable]

Originally Posted by Ella`Ella [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Server rule is you can have as many targets FTE'd at once as you want, they just all have to come directly into your camp or you can let your opponent tag whichever mob they want off your train/whatever. Which means, you'd have to kill the first one quickly before the second (or third, fourth, etc...) go to your camp. Later on, there became a player made rule between Hoku and Detoxx that restricted FTE to a single target at once, but Awakened didn't want to honor any player made rules after they formed.

Ah, that's what I was thinking of, then.

Hard to keep track of all this shit anymore.

[Morgander]

Originally Posted by Troxx [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

raid scene on this server is so stupid

One solution? Put in place a 30 day ban on ALL raid targets for any obvious shenanigans. Permanently ban any offender who violates rules or engages a raid target during that 30 day ban.

What do you want to bet guilds would suddenly learn to play by the rules? If not, permanent ban is eaten which frees up content for everyone else.

This statement makes me think you are unfamiliar with the top-end raid scene on P1999. What constitutes "obvious shenanigans"? You're a leader in a top-tier raid guild. You just communicated the respawn of a target to some 200 or so people, 70 of which just dropped everything they were doing to log in to help your team out with this target. You have direct competition of which has done the exact same thing. You all have a vested--and serious interest in this endeavor.

You try to abide 100% by every single rule--a series of rules of which are NOT clear-cut, and of which the only "evidence" is a video recording of events transpiring. Now one of your very experienced guild monks is trying--to legitimately get FTE and by utilizing all rulings, obtain FTE and bring said target to your force. Mobs warp; pathing is hokey; people outside your guild interfere, and all the while you're attempting all this with a train of targets at your back, any one of which can kill you faster than you can FD. On top of that, you have additional individuals doing train up, prepping to train away any straggling mobs who come with the target, among a slew of other things that happen during these events.

Now one of your competitor guilds is calling foul. They "claim" you did something that broke a rule. What do you do? Do you immediately concede the mob because ONE person sent a tell to their applicable raid officer and told them that from THEIR perspective, this player/guild broke some rule in some form? Do you just tell all 70 of your raid force that you're so sorry for waking them up, and or pulling them from whatever they were doing, but we're going to just completely withdraw our attempt because ONE PERSON THINKS THEIR VIEWPOINT SHOWCASES 100% OF THE SITUATION?

Please.

If you understand the rules and like Aftermath (of which I can speak for), attempt to abide by them 100% of the time, you realize that MOST accusations are without merit. We do NOT make blatant attempts to abuse rules. IF it ever does happen, it is by complete accident. It's not like any single entity has only one or two people involved in the training around, FTEing, and pulling of these targets in zones such as Kael and ToV. These kinds of things are incredibly complicated, and a prime reason why there are only two guilds competing in ToV (with all respect provided to all other guilds out there).

I grow so utterly tired of the nonsensical requests that the raid scene have these insane rulings or penalties. Can you imagine having your entire raid guild suspended for a MONTH because ONE person made an accusation that from all accounts, did NOT actually happen? That kind of rule would make it so that the second any guild ever called foul, you would be--as an officer--immediately inclined to simply drop the pull completely, and concede out of sheer fear that maybe one person got a FRAPS of something that conclusively proves that one error was made by one person who didn't know said error happened.

Hell, the FRAPS may not have even shown said target having bad pathing. Maybe the recorder was initiated at just the right time to not show that part, so it looks like a kite.

You just can't do this sort of crap. The entire situation here is a lot more broad, and a lot more complicated than most even begin to realize.

[Eponymous Anonymous]

Originally Posted by Ella`Ella [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Later on, there became a player made rule between Hoku and Detoxx that restricted FTE to a single target at once, but Awakened didn't want to honor any player made rules after they formed.

Actually it was Detoxx that refused to honor that agreement because "Rampage doesn't exist anymore".

[Oleris]

At work right now, but I asked sirken about this 5 mins after we got fte and he said it was ours. I asked him 30 minutes later when csg was moving up in Kael and he said it was still ours. He knew CSG would be mad, but they weren'the even trying to footage.

[Lojik]

Originally Posted by Morgander [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Can you imagine having your entire raid guild suspended for a MONTH

I'd literally die. I see your point

[bktroost]

Originally Posted by Oleris [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

At work right now, but I asked sirken about this 5 mins after we got fte and he said it was ours. I asked him 30 minutes later when csg was moving up in Kael and he said it was still ours. He knew CSG would be mad, but they weren'the even trying to footage.

I'm not mad. Sometimes you need to let things break before you can fix em. I understand what he was doing. I'm not upset by progress. Progress is a bumpy road.

[bktroost]

Originally Posted by Lojik [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'd literally die. I see your point

lol you're such a troll.

[ismael]

Originally Posted by Oleris [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

At work right now, but I asked sirken about this 5 mins after we got fte and he said it was ours. I asked him 30 minutes later when csg was moving up in Kael and he said it was still ours. He knew CSG would be mad, but they weren'the even trying to footage.

So Sirken is ok with Aftermath securing an illegal FTE via the rules he set forth.

Seems legit.

#BraknarHeadGm2016 please.

[Gimp]

Oleris doin God's work

[Samoht]

Originally Posted by Morgander [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You try to abide 100% by every single rule

Next time, try abiding by the you only have FTE until you zone out rule, and the pullers cannot be past the starting line when the mob spawns rule.