A/A strategy finally worked after a few years

[Maner]

Originally Posted by Expediency [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Up until the double a/a bans, csg was still advancing through content we had not yet seen. Azure Guard had grown to be a huge guild and csg was putting up ridiculous numbers. When A/A got banned (twice) we got to do most/all of the stuff we had not killed yet. It was fantastic dealing with other civilized people for a short time. Lots of players who had been around since the velious release felt they "beat the game" and that further racing against you was a foolish contest that only the lowest common denominator would win. We lost several good, longterm people to retirement and a group of others went to TAKP. I bet something similar happened within F/V only they went to angar.

CSG is still active and raiding and eventually will try to race again on select targets but right now there is little appetite. A/A goes to crazy extremes to hold on to content They'll burn out eventually. If the leaders of those guilds put their 24/7 drive towards something productive over the last 18 months instead of line racing they could have started a business or built a house.

Why do people constantly insist that you cant do both? Ive been in AM since the start and just bought a house so obviously its not impossible. Its just the lies you tell yourself in order to justify your entitlement.

You had mobs handed to you for a month and "beat the game", then why are you still so salty about the raid scene?

[Expediency]

Originally Posted by Maner [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Why do people constantly insist that you cant do both? Ive been in AM since the start and just bought a house so obviously its not impossible. Its just the lies you tell yourself in order to justify your entitlement.

You had mobs handed to you for a month and "beat the game", then why are you still so salty about the raid scene?

What makes you think I'm salty? I didnt leave or quit and I still help with community events. I'm calling it like I see it. From the outside looking in what you guys do looks crazy to me and most of the rest of us, especially after seeing what it was like with you gone. We are a lawfully aligned guild and its not in our DNA to test the rules limit to the point of eating bans if we can avoid it.

Multiple people looking at a skype video or whatever of someone else's screen so they can track a mob? I could look at my phone all day doing that but I choose not to. I respect your dedication but that does not seem rational to me. Enjoy your BiS loots.

[kotton05]

Originally Posted by Maner [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Why do people constantly insist that you cant do both? Ive been in AM since the start and just bought a house so obviously its not impossible. Its just the lies you tell yourself in order to justify your entitlement.

You had mobs handed to you for a month and "beat the game", then why are you still so salty about the raid scene?

It's a blanket statement. Like all black men can jump. All a/a must be no life obama batphoning hero's. Obviously it's not the case lol.

[Detoxx]

Originally Posted by Expediency [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Up until the double a/a bans, csg was still advancing through content we had not yet seen. Azure Guard had grown to be a huge guild and csg was putting up ridiculous numbers. When A/A got banned (twice) we got to do most/all of the stuff we had not killed yet. It was fantastic dealing with other civilized people for a short time. Lots of players who had been around since the velious release felt they "beat the game" and that further racing against you was a foolish contest that only the lowest common denominator would win. We lost several good, longterm people to retirement and a group of others went to TAKP. I bet something similar happened within F/V only they went to angar.

CSG is still active and raiding and eventually will try to race again on select targets but right now there is little appetite. A/A goes to crazy extremes to hold on to content They'll burn out eventually. If the leaders of those guilds put their 24/7 drive towards something productive over the last 18 months instead of line racing they could have started a business or built a house.

I own a house, make 80k+ a year, just bought a 40k truck and my girlfriend and her daughter live with me. Yet ive lead multiple guilds and been very successful in that aspect. Hmmmm

[Expediency]

Originally Posted by Detoxx [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I own a house, make 80k+ a year, just bought a 40k truck and my girlfriend and her daughter live with me. Yet ive lead multiple guilds and been very successful in that aspect. Hmmmm

You are clearly capable of managing people, managing resources, and being somewhere on time regardless of the time of day. If you do not own your own business you should really take that risk. 100% not trolling I respect this dedication even if i dont understand it.

[Pokesan]

Originally Posted by Detoxx [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I own a house, make 80k+ a year, just bought a 40k truck and my girlfriend and her daughter live with me. Yet ive lead multiple guilds and been very successful in that aspect. Hmmmm

i'd like to hear from spyder73 on this. double-dog dare you buddy.

[Cecily]

Wish you and Deterks would stop with the pedantry. Of course you guys don't actually track a mob for 16 hours straight. It's hyperbole. What you actually do keep multiple mobs tracked across multiple zones tracked for much, much longer. It's funny because it's pathetic.

[Maner]

Originally Posted by Cecily [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Wish you and Deterks would stop with the pedantry. Of course you guys don't actually track a mob for 16 hours straight. It's hyperbole. What you actually do keep multiple mobs tracked across multiple zones tracked for much, much longer. It's funny because it's pathetic.

and yet its honestly also super easy to do. No one person is spending 10 hours straight let alone 16hours straight really. You set up a screen share before you go to work and multiple different people "track" while youre away.

[Gimp]

Originally Posted by Maner [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

and yet its honestly also super easy to do. No one person is spending 10 hours straight let alone 16hours straight really. You set up a screen share before you go to work and multiple different people "track" while youre away.

well that's just not true

[Lazie]

Originally Posted by Gimp [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

well that's just not true

Yep not true at all. On weekends a lot of people spend over 10 hours tracking. I know back in Kunark I put in 18 hours in a row once. Hokushin would spend more time than that when he played. I think the longest I did in Velious personally was 11 hours the first week of races. Fifield was there the entire time too. Nalken has put in some pretty insane hours as well. Detoxx too.

After that first week of racing in ToV I was pretty much done though with raiding. While racing can be fun if spawns happen quickly. It just burns out people long term. When I saw Velious take the same path Kunark did (FTE insta pull>Mage Cothing>Racing) but at a quicker rate that is when I was really done with raiding here. Because the environment does a lot of things to people.

1. It makes you resent guildies who don't put in the same effort.
2. It makes people angry at the runners when they don't get a perceived amount of FTEs. Which in turn makes the FTE runners resent the other guildies more for complaining.
3. It burns out your guild and forces you to recruit heavily for fresh people to do the running.
4. It makes you hate the people you are competing against because of all the work it takes so every little thing that goes wrong gets magnified. So guilds competing with each other just hate each other for no reason outside of you both are trying to do the same thing.