Game Mechanics: Rogue Skill Hide/Sneak

[dojo420]

had this happen to me twice now:

- first time was when helping a group with cr in disco when a bok shm decided to attack me all of a sudden while dragging 2 corpses back up (passed him several times before with no problem).

- second time was when opening door for someone at crypt: I ran out to necrosis scarab area when the person in question ran past me and died at door. I opened the door and one of the trained mobs (krup knight) starts attacking me after i moved through. curious enough the others didnt decide to join in but ran back to their spawns even though well within aggro range.

From what I can tell I never got hit by an AE, tried to initiate a trade or right clicked random corpses which could have cancelled stealth. not sure what is happening there.

[Rhambuk]

Originally Posted by Tiggles [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Also pickpocket shouldn't break hide/sneak unless a critical fail.

PP always broke hide/sneak. You just drop hide and remain in sneak and your fine

[Dazen]

pickpocket didn't always break sneak/hide I know this for a fact, I just cant remember if it was an AA that did this or when you got your hide/sneak skill up to a certain lvl. I clearly remember the days of farming Gem's in SEB with PP when Looking for a group there.

[Rhambuk]

I've never been able to PP or trade or loot etc while sneak/hide it always breaks.

If you drop hide and keep sneak on you can do a lot but they should both depop if you try to do anything while doing both.

[Sobr]

Having major probs in seb/hs specifically.

Doing a CR, pass a bunch of mobs, then it just drops. Things that arent supposed to see through sneak attack me. In my log, it goes from quiet as a cat, to X mob attacks you. Mobs that never see sneak, that I might have just passed 4-5 times in the same CR, randomly attack me.

I wont list the mobs because its basically any mob. juggs wizards shamans skeletons goo doesnt matter. Having things con indiff and attack me when i walk past them too, so I dont know if its an issue with sneak just dropping randomly or if mobs just see me randomly.

Broken either way though imo

[jubbymcj]

Experienced the same indifferent cons to me and randomly being attacked. Guildy was with me saw me start getting attacked and still had the () around my name. Was a bizarre day today, glad someone else though has experienced this also. Thought I was missing something.

[Lorastine]

I haven't read the whole entire thread, but i'd like to add some experiences with hide/sneak randomly being broken.

This mostly happens in Old Sebilis. Nothing to my knowledge should see through hide/sneak there. At first i'd just be stealthing through, randomly get nuked and die. Which I found odd. Then I started conning mobs when I went past them just to make sure everything was indifferent. Again, hit by something and popped out of hide/sneak and killed. This has happened twice. If everything around me is conning indifferent, why are they breaking my hide/sneak?

This is really annoying, because for the most part i'm hide/sneaking through to drag someone's corpse and I end up being one myself. =[

[Gartaka832]

Thanks a lot

[Hakurou]

I just dug through an old log file from the time I started a rogue on live (June 13th 2001), I had no instance of *You are as quiet as herd of running elephants.* past sneak skill 98 and no instance of *You failed to hide yourself.* past hide skill 92, I know both skills should always work at master level (skill 100) yet they still fail on P99 at skill 110. That could also explain why racial hide skills like my dark elves can fail up to 6 times in a row, which is way too much.

I'll be glad to provide parts of the log file to a Dev if I can cut out private chat from it (it's 38 MB after all so even then it'll be a rather big upload)

[Ligtorn]

as far as i can tell Evade does not work at all theres no message about momentarily stepping out of combat and theres zero agro loss when hiding.