Confessions of a cheater... - Page 5

Knuckle · #1 08-28-2011, 01:53 PM

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Originally Posted by WizardEQ [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

With all the warning on P99, cheaters should have been deleted, period. After much thought, I am not allowing any cheating persons, yes persons, into the guild and am kicking all those out forever. This includes your main + all alts. The devs were unbelievable lenient, omg. You guys deserve nothing but the best punishment which is deletion of all characters and perma-ban on your IPs.

Xaxian

I concur man, I've had a blast playing classic eq for 3+ years, it's the cheating fucks ruining the game for everyone else.

Striiker · #2 08-28-2011, 03:36 PM

I actually found this to be an interesting read. I never knew what these programs do although I had some good guesses. We all come to Project1999 to play original, challenging, hard mode Everquest. Why anyone would want to come to this server AND use cheats to make it easy is honestly baffling. Why not go play on the other servers where this is easier or somewhat condoned? It all makes no sense to me. If I don't get that rare spaw or uber item, it makes me more determined to get it. That's the challenge and the whole point of playing on this server.
Thanks for the well-written post.

Cheater · #3 08-28-2011, 04:22 PM

Well I'm glad at least a few people got something out of the post, that was my intention after all. I agree that hacking/cheating may not be completely stopped, but it will stop the majority(like me) who were using it passively and not aggressively trying to break the game and ruin others fun. Other than upsetting other players in the fact that cheating was going on, I never once used my advantages directly against other players. Most of the time I just had MQ2 running in the background for the free buffs and convenience. Stupid yes, but just took some monotony out of the game and I got so used to it I just left it running at all times.

At any rate I'm not upset about it in the slightest. EQ is a brutal game no doubt, but those that have logged many hours still understand the game better than the average player and it certainly won't be impossible to get back to where they were without any cheats. I undestand the sentiment and it's easy to point fingers and claim all people that use MQ2 "suck" at EQ, but how much of that is to make yourself feel better thinking "well if I used MQ2 I'd have 5 fungi tunics too!"? Some may and need the crutch, others just see it as a way of making certain tasks easier. I'm quite sure some "cheaters" are actually quite skilled players and use the advantage to a better effect than the average person would be able to. If you disregard that reality, well then that's fine too.

mitic · #4 08-28-2011, 04:46 PM

good post kobias

Pico · #5 08-28-2011, 05:23 PM

listen i know im a cheater and sure these things gave me an advantage but u see i was basdically robin hood with infravision i gave the newbs my loot no disrespect thats how i am

Pico · #6 08-28-2011, 05:24 PM

im not rly tryin to condone the cheating but basically it didnt give me much advantage but i still used it for some reason

Pico · #7 08-28-2011, 05:26 PM

convenience i believe was the reason for using it im not double sure on that tho brb ghoul lord popped iwth yak

Cheater · #8 08-28-2011, 05:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Pico [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

convenience i believe was the reason for using it im not double sure on that tho brb ghoul lord popped iwth yak

I see what you did there..

ShowEQ · #9 08-28-2011, 05:48 PM

Kobias,

You are right and I didn't try to distinguish one as cheating and another as not. I tried to say that one can do significantly more than the other and if you are smart then you are still running and will always be running showeq without any recourse.

So the cheating tools showeq, myshoweq, mq2, they are all cheating with significant differences in what someone can do but if you are using showeq you are still using showeq with a 50% exp bonus for being smarter than the myseq cheaters.

So I am saying the punishment should vary in some way equal to the tool. Especially since one of the tools is still being used by folks. And you bet the funny part is some of these haters are using the showeq tool rather than the myseq tool and making all these jack ass level funny claims about how happy they are everyone else got caught.

Either way you can bet anyone who wants to use showeq but didn't get banned is simply going to stop using myseq and dust off their linux skills and get showeq running again. At least those with enough ability to do it.

Either way, p1999 blue/red is just dealing with the idiots that run detectable tools and punishing the noobs more than the experts when it comes to cheaters. In the end I agree that do what you can, no point in not doing everything you can to remove the cheaters. But myseq and showeq are significantly different from mq2, you cant buff yourself with those. That is a huge difference.

Kobias · #10 08-28-2011, 05:58 PM

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Originally Posted by ShowEQ [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Kobias,

You are right and I didn't try to distinguish one as cheating and another as not. I tried to say that one can do significantly more than the other and if you are smart then you are still running and will always be running showeq without any recourse.

So the cheating tools showeq, myshoweq, mq2, they are all cheating with significant differences in what someone can do but if you are using showeq you are still using showeq with a 50% exp bonus for being smarter than the myseq cheaters.

So I am saying the punishment should vary in some way equal to the tool. Especially since one of the tools is still being used by folks. And you bet the funny part is some of these haters are using the showeq tool rather than the myseq tool and making all these jack ass level funny claims about how happy they are everyone else got caught.

Either way you can bet anyone who wants to use showeq but didn't get banned is simply going to stop using myseq and dust off their linux skills and get showeq running again. At least those with enough ability to do it.

Either way, p1999 blue/red is just dealing with the idiots that run detectable tools and punishing the noobs more than the experts when it comes to cheaters. In the end I agree that do what you can, no point in not doing everything you can to remove the cheaters. But myseq and showeq are significantly different from mq2, you cant buff yourself with those. That is a huge difference.

Fair enough, but the bonus as I understand it was a reward for those that didn't cheat.

I would agree if that punishment could be different, but in the end it kind of amounts to the same cheating mentality. MQ2's basic package as I've been told cannot provide maps that SEQ provides because P1999 blocks maps by setting expansion flag < Luclin. I bet there is a way around it, but it's probably something people paid cash for. Part of my ranting earlier in this thread was to point out kind of what your trying to say: Uber cheaters ought to have been punished more. But making that determination on such a large scale for each individual account is very cumbersome.

If there was a way to track SEQ users, it would be possible to do something about it. As it stands, the only way is to watch people and try to trick them with spawns and see how they react.

I think the moral of the whole story though is that: Cheaters beware [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] Maybe your a SEQ user who slipped by this time, but they'll still be vigilant, and still be watching. You might enjoy your XP bonus now only to be banned later, when I imagine the penalty will be far less graceful.