remove staff from player interactions?

[oldfish]

I played Rallos for 2 years (01-02), and ive never heard of anyone banned for the stuff Darwoth is talking about.

Hell i never even thought training was illegal back then because i had never heard of someone getting banned for it and to be in Oasis meant to be watching your back for spectres or sand giant trains, always.

Wether it is classic or not, i think it makes the game more interesting.

What would eve online be without all the scamming, etc...? Alot more boring.

On rallos i once got bind camped for 20mins outside unrest and the guy tells me "Ill stop but you have to port me to EC" i said sure! And ported him at 2am
in dreadlands with nobody around.

This is the kind of stuff that should be allowed here. Dont wanna get ported in the middle of nowhere? Make sure the guy you are getting a port from is trustable.

[SearyxTZ]

I'm too tired to go into fine detail on this. I would say no, though.

This is coming from someone who tried both approaches on VZTZ. I believe I was the only staff member there who actually tried hands-off with PvP rules (for a brief time).


The upside was that I didn't drive myself crazy trying to police every fucking stupid pvp encounter between the assholes in the two top guilds.

Because there were no rules, and it was up to the players to figure all that out and govern eachother.


The downside: as you would expect, griefing skyrocketed. Training replaced PvP. Entire guilds quit the server. Server population dropped.

I really don't think we want this here.

GM intervention may not always be perfect or objective, but I promise those of you who want nothing at all that you'll be begging for GMs to come babysit everyone again after you get trained into the ground anytime you try to go do anything.

[Supreme]

nb4rnf

[Harrison]

Originally Posted by Lazortag [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Boo hoo. God forbid you try to be reasonable with a GM instead of going full retard on the forums the second things don't go your way. It was the exact same way after you were disbanded for exploiting Naggy, you guys tried to play the victim when you were in the wrong in the first place. When you do something wrong and you're caught red handed, the correct response is contrition. Your response however was to bitch as much as possible about unequal treatment. And that is why no one will ever take you seriously - you could have probably solved all of your woes by politely speaking with a GM but instead you chose to do what Holo does best: whining publicly.

Starting to think he is the only player with an IQ over 50 on red. Holocaust literally has downs. Exploit, caught, cry, forum spam tears, and blame the world. Never once man up for yourselves.

[oldfish]

Originally Posted by SearyxTZ [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

GM intervention may not always be perfect or objective, but I promise those of you who want nothing at all that you'll be begging for GMs to come babysit everyone again after you get trained into the ground anytime you try to go do anything.

But he said everything but train

[Autotune]

Should go for both servers.

Let players govern what they can: Training, Scamming, Griefing, Douchebagging, KSing, Ninjalooting, ect.

Let GMs take care of what players can't: Hacking, Exploiting, RMTing, Stuck corpses, bugs, ect.

Would solve most headaches and free up server staff from disputes between players/guilds

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[Dullah]

Originally Posted by stormlord [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I voted no because there're a lot of cases where nobody can right a wrong. There're exploits and mechanics that just do not have an opposite. It's not as straight forward and malleable as reality is. In reality there's a equal and opposite reaction for everything. But in games it's hit and miss and filled with holes.

Also keep in mind that whatever problems classic had we inherit.

However, I would prefer to only have rules for the most extreme cases. This is pvp. You can over-rule a server. Makes your job harder and makes hte atmosphere feel suffocating for players.

How does Eve-Online handle griefing?

I have to side here.

I want it like RZ, with very little interaction. I have to say though, there was a much higher quality of people, and more character accountability than there ever will be here.

Back in those days, if you were random pk, it was a permanent choice. That character would never see planar loot, you wouldn't be participating in "progression", but just ganking around dungeons hoping to snag some loot off players in bigger guilds. Simply put, you lived the life of an outcast, in fear of the bigger groups, always watching your back. You didn't even tell people about your pk alt on your char in a white knight guild lest it come back and taint your good rep. You couldn't even think of ninja looting shit, you might as well just delete that character.

Heres its completely opposite. You can spam ooc with nothing but bullshit, taunt, insult and grief in any and every form possible, present yourself as the most deranged degenerate pos of all time, and be considered a generally stand-up guy by half the population of the server.

So... if people are going to conduct themselves in such a way and spend 10 hours of their life in 2 days triggering a script to deathtouch a 15-30 man raid without any repercussions, obviously GM intervention is required at such times. Though, if you fit the description in the previous paragraph, this won't make any sense to you.

[Gongshow]

Originally Posted by Dullah [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So... if people are going to conduct themselves in such a way and spend 10 hours of their life in 2 days triggering a script to deathtouch a 15-30 man raid without any repercussions, obviously GM intervention is required at such times. Though, if you fit the description in the previous paragraph, this won't make any sense to you.

...or you lift your skirt up and send a few people to stop it. If that had happened to Holocaust we would have someone sitting directly on their bind spot chain rooting and killing until plug.

The other day when Beowulf did it to us with Eye of Zomm we snuffed him out 2-3x. Sure he triggered on us a few times too, but we prevented it just as well and he ended up losing his corpse in Fear for at least a few hours or more until the zerg showed up.

First night of Fear PVP, after we booted Nihilum, Troriste triggered CT and various other lackeys tried to train. We set up defense and stopped every subsequent attempt while clearing at the same time.

PVP is about manning up and doing what it takes to win, that does not mean screaming to GM's because you have no sack. Defending against trains and griefing is part of a raid, not up to GM's to enforce.

[Supreme]

Originally Posted by Gongshow [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

...or you lift your skirt up and send a few people to stop it. If that had happened to Holocaust we would have someone sitting directly on their bind spot chain rooting and killing until plug.

The other day when Beowulf did it to us with Eye of Zomm we snuffed him out 2-3x. Sure he triggered on us a few times too, but we prevented it just as well and he ended up losing his corpse in Fear for at least a few hours or more until the zerg showed up.

First night of Fear PVP, after we booted Nihilum, Troriste triggered CT and various other lackeys tried to train. We set up defense and stopped every subsequent attempt while clearing at the same time.

PVP is about manning up and doing what it takes to win, that does not mean screaming to GM's because you have no sack. Defending against trains and griefing is part of a raid, not up to GM's to enforce.

Whoa there...

25-30 people constitutes a zerg? Or is that just the number you state because you only have 13-15 to counter?

Booted Nihilum from fear[You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]?

As i remember Fear was already cleared and done with for the day. In fact on that first day people where in there for almost 10 hours straight farming. Got to take a break sometime.

Your last comment is laughable at best. How many threads started by Nihilum about your "PVP tactics" are on the forums...how many are Holocaust threads?

Defedning against trains and griefing is not part of the raid. That is what YOU think should be part of the raid...but GMs and Server staff disagree and you cannot stand it.