The Al'Kabor Project (PC/Mac) EQmac - EverQuest done right

[Haynar]

Originally Posted by Erasong [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I thought everyone actually was entitled to bitch to the public.

You are entitled to. That does not mean there will be no consequences. Can only rustle so many jimmies, before someone gets bent.

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[apio]

it was actually less than 20% in the database,the allaclone used to show the drop rate in alpha.

Anyhow that was just an example. there are cases that involve quest items that have far crazier numbers

[Torven]

Originally Posted by apio [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

it was actually less than 20% in the database,the allaclone used to show the drop rate in alpha.

Anyhow that was just an example. there are cases that involve quest items that have far crazier numbers

Before I set it to 80/20, it was 66/16. But it was always min drop 1, drop limit 1, which means the actual drop rate was higher than 16%. I was actually lowering the effective drop rate when I set it to 80/20. I eyeballed it and got it wrong the first time. 16 divided by 66 = 0.2424.

The %s don't always mean that the items will drop at that rate. Plenty of tables do not add up to 100% or add up to well over 100% Allaclone doesn't calculate the correct effective drop rates after factoring in mindrop and droplimit being nonzero.

This project has all of two people who do database work, and both of us also do some code work, and I do a lot of data collecting/parsing of game mechanics on Live. Not only that but I joined the team later on-- Rob was alone for a long time. There simply wasn't the manhours to go through every single quest and adjust every single NPC's drop rate. So I'm sorry for launching too early I guess. I had no say in that.

[jetviper21]

Originally Posted by Torven [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This project has all of two people who do database work, and both of us also do some code work, and I do a lot of data collecting/parsing of game mechanics on Live. Not only that but I joined the team later on-- Rob was alone for a long time. There simply wasn't the manhours to go through every single quest and adjust every single NPC's drop rate. So I'm sorry for launching too early I guess. I had no say in that.

This is one of the problems 2 people are working on the database. When you have at least 3-4 more who are willing to help and have the skills todo so. Yet they are blocked by an invisible wall of unknown.

It gets really discouraging to people who can fix things technically and have to post on a message board. Sure the source code is open source. But the database is far from open source the contributing process is linear and has to go through a bureaucracy.

That is fine if you want to make sure it maintains some sort of correctness. It is unfair to punish players for being passionate when you are holding the keys to their success.

[Torven]

I just yelled in the shower over the stupid fucking retarded and very public mistake I just realized I made. I'm going to have to set the FBSS back to 20% because I made a retarded math error. 16/(66+16) ~ 20%. I do this math god knows how many times and still fucked it up.

I had 3 Live clients running and logging spell resists, with another TAKP client parsing loot drops with the new code, while trying to watch for cheating in GM mode on a fifth client, and I was fixing the resist function so mobs 20 levels above players aren't easily hittable anymore. So yeah, my attention is split a lot. Go ahead and flame.

Originally Posted by jetviper21 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

When you have at least 3-4 more who are willing to help and have the skills todo so. Yet they are blocked by an invisible wall of unknown.

Project 1999 gets this a lot too. It's not so simple.

For one, I've never seen these people you're referring to request to do DB work. How can I block them when I have no idea who they are?

Hanging around in IRC and getting to know us is probably the first step to gaining our trust. I was in there months before they gave me DB access. Also my rather long posts about game mechanics and NPC stats let them know I knew what I was doing.

Secondly, it's not merely a matter of inputting the 'correct' values in the database. Most of these numbers are simply not known and need to be estimated. That means conflicts with other devs on what things should be. If Rob sets numbers on a NPC, I coordinate with him before I fuck with them. We don't always agree on the numbers. So it's not just a matter of adding more people and getting more done. Now consider that the emu community is known for having some unstable people, so just adding people on a whim is problematic. Trust takes time.

It's also silly to assume that the 'outsiders' will suddenly show up and turn everything around if they were just let in. As soon as they mess with shit, you'll be bitching at them too.

[Haynar]

Originally Posted by Torven [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Project 1999 gets this a lot too. It's not so simple.
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Hanging around in IRC and getting to know us is probably the first step to gaining our trust. I was in there months before they gave me DB access. Also my rather long posts about game mechanics and NPC stats let them know I knew what I was doing.

Secondly, it's not merely a matter of inputting the 'correct' values in the database. Most of these numbers are simply not known and need to be estimated. That means conflicts with other devs on what things should be. If Rob sets numbers on a NPC, I coordinate with him before I fuck with them. We don't always agree on the numbers. So it's not just a matter of adding more people and getting more done. Now consider that the emu community is known for having some unstable people, so just adding people on a whim is problematic. Trust takes time.

It's also silly to assume that the 'outsiders' will suddenly show up and turn everything around if they were just let in. As soon as they mess with shit, you'll be bitching at them too.

On P99 we get plenty of offers to "help".

For someone like me, IRC doesn't work. I use too many diff computers. Most deving is done offline with no internet. The one computer i could get on full time, I may only see once a week. I would suggest using chat channels in skype over irc. You will never miss anything. No matter what device you get on.

Feel free to stay in the 90's on IRC. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] I was running/deving IRC servers and services back in 97. Kind of hate IRC now.

There are a lot of unstable people out there.

Haynar

[apio]

I like you Reiker but you are going way overboard here. Plus I am pretty sure I never said "I didn't want to see you leave" because you didn't leave but got kicked, and that's between you and wharhogg, but no matter what - I find it pretty sad that you have to come here and make a big drama out of this. Anyways, I wish you good luck with your guild !

[pharmakos]

Originally Posted by apio [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I find it pretty sad that you have to come here and make a big drama out of this.

you've calmed down a bit since this morning, i see.

[apio]

Originally Posted by pharmakos [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

you've calmed down a bit since this morning, i see.

what's the matter, nobody wants to play with you?

[Byrjun]

I'll be honest, I am a bit frustrated because I had made a lot of friends in A&H and those connections were severed by the actions of one person. I like you Apio, and Elaida and Furst and everyone else.

Anyways, it kinda struck a nerve when he specifically came here to slander me, so I wanted to get my side and the truth out.

That'll be the last I say on any of that, back to me complaining about the drop rate bug. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]