Sirken's proposal

[Buriedpast]

Should we just come back to the idea of a bag limit style raid?

Or a raid in which you have a limited amount of people per week? So BDA can use 50 people for trak, and TMO can use 30.

Nuke soulfires though [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Buriedpast]

Remember a bag limit still has all the rushing to mobs etc. Can still have the no poopsock rules, no DA stalling etc. All of those tertiary rules that we need.

And can add stuff like no bagged mob by TMOFEIB can be killed by TMOFEIB on its respawn for instance.

[Hitpoint]

Bag style has already been shot down. Lets move on.

[Buriedpast]

Originally Posted by Hitpoint [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Bag style has already been shot down. Lets move on.

I just think it allows for strategic selection of mobs, along with rewarding individuals:
"yes johnny, thanks for the tracking hours, we'll be going after inny hard the nxt two weeks with our allowance to get you your eye" for instance.

[falkun]

Also, Tykco is right. Rogean's post, which I understood as him posting *after* consulting with Nilbog, Sirken, and maybe some of the GMs and devs under them, reads as though the PNP is being flagrantly violated, and TMO's two weeks and now the server's current raid suspension was a big reset button to get the PNP back into the game. Sirken's proposal is the first one to implement PNP rules, or more accurately punishments for PNP infractions. The other proposals, namely the Divinity plan, enforce PNP through rotation periods. But that was due to other stipulations from Rogean to not anticipate rule or code changes. Sirken's proposal blatantly asks for a code change for the no-poopsock mechanic, and the 7 or 8 days really benefits from changes to Variance to work well. Basically, tier2 developed a proposal that met the objectives, and then CSR came in and started making proposals that do not meet the same criteria.

I like seeing the CSR proposals, they give insight into your views. But if they aren't written to the same criteria, no wonder they don't match our player-derived proposals.

[radditsu]

I kinda want one of these proposals to be an actual proposal.


Like Sirken making an honest woman out of Rogean...


Oh well, I guess only in my p99 slash fiction

[Mezzmur]

For those late to the party.

Take TMO/FE Proposal that was originally posted with 7 day hands off, move that to 10, move Sirken's Mob list instead of TMO/FE's, ADD Sirken's PNP, Take TMO/FE No In-game Poopsock Rules. Tier 2 can have a rotation if they want, up to them. Tier 1 attacks Tier 2 on First 10 Days, Second 20 days Tier 1 on Tier 1....... YOU GET THIS:

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100% Fair to All, Tier 2 gets MORE mobs than Tier 1, and Tier 2 can attack Tier 1 mobs on the second 20 days. Someone decide rules on how you shift tier 1 and 2. If you don't like this idea you're donkers!

[Imslap]

Originally Posted by Mezzmur [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

For those late to the party.

Take TMO/FE Proposal that was originally posted with 7 day hands off, move that to 10, move Sirken's Mob list instead of TMO/FE's, ADD Sirken's PNP, Take TMO/FE No In-game Poopsock Rules. Tier 2 can have a rotation if they want, up to them. Tier 1 attacks Tier 2 on First 10 Days, Second 20 days Tier 1 on Tier 1....... YOU GET THIS:

[You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

100% Fair to All, Tier 2 gets MORE mobs than Tier 1, and Tier 2 can attack Tier 1 mobs on the second 20 days. Someone decide rules on how you shift tier 1 and 2. If you don't like this idea you're donkers!

SIGNED

[-Catherin-]

It's a vicious cycle though Sirken.

"Less poopsocking could = less variance"

This is wonderful, and im sure *everyone* would love that to happen. The problem however is that right now for a tier 2 guild to have any chance at all against a tier one guild we HAVE to poopsock. Taken tried to kill Innoruuk the way he was meant to be killed. Our competition just leapfrogs over us, pulls him and every mob in the path to the zone-in and kills him there. If they die in the attempt, its okay because we die to their train, and they just continue to repeat this until it succeeds for them while we try to corpse recover for 4 hours and repeatedly wipe to the trains. This is something that should not be allowed to happen.

This is not a what "may happen" it is what "does" happen and what has happened whenever we try to go the no poopsock route. we hate doing it but it is the "only" way to have any chance unless the rules change. I've gotten a few congratulations (staff included) for stepping it up and getting some of these targets. But I don't think we should be congratulated. how we do it and how T1 guilds do it are both against the spirit of PnP and continues to aggravate the situation


But Its acts like these by T1 guilds that make it impossible for us to compete without socking. Telling us less poopsocking may lead to less variance is in effect forfeiting what little we have been able to wrestle away from the T1 guilds in the current environment with no promise it will actually change variance.

I would bet people would be more willing to stop if we could get a "less poopsocking WILL lead to less variance."

<3

[Moodie]

Originally Posted by Mezzmur [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

For those late to the party.

Take TMO/FE Proposal that was originally posted with 7 day hands off, move that to 10, move Sirken's Mob list instead of TMO/FE's, ADD Sirken's PNP, Take TMO/FE No In-game Poopsock Rules. Tier 2 can have a rotation if they want, up to them. Tier 1 attacks Tier 2 on First 10 Days, Second 20 days Tier 1 on Tier 1....... YOU GET THIS:

[You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

100% Fair to All, Tier 2 gets MORE mobs than Tier 1, and Tier 2 can attack Tier 1 mobs on the second 20 days. Someone decide rules on how you shift tier 1 and 2. If you don't like this idea you're donkers!

Not bad