Fate of P99 blue

[Knuckle]

Originally Posted by mimixownzall [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Team imballance? You're stupid.

Here is how it will go: Look! We are on the same team as those douchebags, lets reroll to the other team!

Happened a lot on SZ.

Or, it will be like this (on FFA): Man, Heresy (just using heresy for this example) is owning, let's all join up and make a super competing guild and call it Orthodoxy! Sweet! Heresy sees Orthodoxy's numbers and starts beefing up its numbers to match them. Now we have 2 major guilds making up a total of 90% of the server population! Well, shit... THIS MIGHT AS WELL BE A TEAMS SERVER!

One difference: Instead of people guild hopping (which could cause some unforseen drama), they would just re-roll to the other team, which, in turn, would bolster the lower level population helping newcomers.

I mean, think about it. If p99 were a PVP server (please, keep the bluebie noob bullshit comments out), the smaller raiding guilds wouldn't exist. Guilds like Dozekar, TMO, VD, BDE and such would have to consolidate their forces to compete with TR. You might get 3 total big-number guilds. And that is on a server that will probably have at least twice the population as red99.

Believe me, I WANT red99 to succeed and teams is the best way for that to happen. You guys know that you will need people to stay on the server who aren't as 'hardcore' as the VZTZ guys seem/claim to be, and teams is the best way to keep these people on the server.

that drama just doesnt happen in the sort of guilds we roll in, thats what makes us so successful. so basically what happens is as 'heresy' rapes 'good team' a bunch of good team players reroll dark toons thus turning red99 into a glorified p99 server as competition dwindles. you have no choice but to compete and knock down the top guild on FFA. and our guild wont crumble or whatever you think it will, alot of us have been playing together for over 3 years, it just wont happen.

[mimixownzall]

Originally Posted by Knuckle [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

that drama just doesnt happen in the sort of guilds we roll in, thats what makes us so successful. so basically what happens is as 'heresy' rapes 'good team' a bunch of good team players reroll dark toons thus turning red99 into a glorified p99 server as competition dwindles. you have no choice but to compete and knock down the top guild on FFA. and our guild wont crumble or whatever you think it will, alot of us have been playing together for over 3 years, it just wont happen.

First off, I never mentioned anything about your guild crumbling; only the server crumbling.

Second:

as 'heresy' rapes 'good team' a bunch of good team players reroll dark toons thus turning red99 into a glorified p99 server as competition dwindles. you have no choice but to compete and knock down the top guild on FFA.

False. You might have a very few bandwagon jumpers, but this would be very few. People would know the only real way to compete is to PVP to do so. This means that as FFA, other guilds would have to consolidate to compete. As teams, they would have to join a different team. Either way the result is the same: Two (which is what the server will prolly wind up having due to population) top guilds competing for the top lewts.

My whole point is that anyone outside those top guilds would be better supported by teams.

Smaller guilds will stay around.
Unguilded people can group without worrying about showing up to an exp group and getting ass-raped by assholes (the group who invited person) and losing items.
People can ask for help without worrying about getting backstabbed.

I just think most people like to know who their enemies are. They want WW2 (discernable enemies), not Iraq.

[Doors]

Yeah item loot isn't gonna work either. Shits gay, money loot is fine. vztz loot system was OK in my opinion, made for some funny ass fights around rivervale.

[Lazortag]

If a clique of 40 people all swarm into one guild, on an FFA server they will be unstoppable, because their size relative to their competitors is far larger than on a teams-based server. On a teams-based server if 40 people all swarm into one "team", then that team is still beatable, because their size has only increased by a small percentage over their competitor(s?).

I think the setup should be teams and should not allow every class available to every team. This could actually deter people from mass-joining one of the teams since they may not be able to play their preferred class if they do that. It also takes away the advantage that one team gets from having higher numbers to start with, as people will often bandwagon and join the already-stronger team - but if they can't always choose their preferred class, then this won't happen as often.

Also, the teams should be sort of realistic and flavourful - sorry wehrmacht but the idea of Half Elves being on the evil team is just silly.

[Justown]

Lameish PvP Rule set server with pop of 500+ > Good PvP rules with pop of 100ish being completely dominated by 1 guild.

[JayDee]

I don't agree with your assumption, but I do concur that the decision should be based on what will ultimately lead to the best overall experience for the players which translates to higher population #s

[wehrmacht]

Originally Posted by Lazortag [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If a clique of 40 people all swarm into one guild, on an FFA server they will be unstoppable, because their size relative to their competitors is far larger than on a teams-based server.

Yep. This is the motive for everyone voting FFA. They want the server as easy mode as possible for their zerg guild. The others that want FFA are people that want to walk around in a group of 6 mages and attack solo players which is easier to do on FFA than teams.

You also end up with less PvP in general since nobody will attack the larger guilds on a FFA server unless they're in a zerg guild themselves.

[Knuckle]

Originally Posted by wehrmacht [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yep. This is the motive for everyone voting FFA. They want the server as easy mode as possible for their zerg guild. The others that want FFA are people that want to walk around in a group of 6 mages and attack solo players which is easier to do on FFA than teams.

You also end up with less PvP in general since nobody will attack the larger guilds on a FFA server unless they're in a zerg guild themselves.

lol zerg guild... teams turns the server into....2 giant zerg guilds omg..

also, FFA means only ONE GUILD, the guild that can rule by right of might, gets the raid mob. No one should be given immunity because of their race and feel that they have equal rights to a raid mob. That's bullshit, if you can't beat the other guild for it than you don't get it. This is not blue 99 with a dash of red. It's mothafuckin red99.

[Justown]

Originally Posted by Knuckle [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

lol zerg guild... teams turns the server into....2 giant zerg guilds omg..

also, FFA means only ONE GUILD, the guild that can rule by right of might, gets the raid mob. No one should be given immunity because of their race and feel that they have equal rights to a raid mob. That's bullshit, if you can't beat the other guild for it than you don't get it. This is not blue 99 with a dash of red. It's mothafuckin red99.

Pretty easy for someone to say that has a group of like 40 people waiting in anticipation for the server to come up so you can power game it then rape everyone into submission. Im sorry but if you had any outside perspective here you'd see what everyone else is saying.

I do understand the fact that half of our fun (or more) is ruining other peoples fun. Problem with that is if you go about it this time the the way the TZ/VZ shit was ran with constant hacking / complete domination of ONE guild, the population WILL suck and the server WILL die. No one cares to run around and get killed / kill the same 50 people, well for longer than a week or two anyways.

[Doors]

Knuckle you'll probably be the first to join up with a fucking zerg guild, stop trolling for ffa its fail like U.