Discussion: PvP Deaths (Item/Coin/XP Loot/Gain)

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no fun allowed

[Doors]

Originally Posted by Bardalicious [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

How is removing yellow text, a feature that wasn't implemented in original PVP (at least for RZ, idk about the other shit servers), going to take away from PVPing? The logic in these threads is astounding. We don't want to implement xp loss, item or coin loot because it will make people rage, but we do want to implement yellow text because it will make people rage?

I stand by what I said. YT and leaderboard systems in general only encourage douchebaggery, as has been seen on pretty much every emu pvp box that had those systems in place. You take away the means to which someone can be vocal about their acts of douchebaggery, and they start to reconsider doing them. Someone that might waste time owning that naked level 12 ranger on his way to get his corpse, just for yellow text that contains no context of the fight or to boost their board position, would possibly reconsider being such a tool if those systems weren't in place to feed into their ego.

Bro I never once stated that removing yt is going to diminish pvp on red99, I said it diminishes the fun of it. Who gives a shit if people are all about it to boost there ego. Do you really think that if they don't put this in the same douchebags aren't going to find another way to get off by rubbing their internet glory in everyones faces?

And not having a leaderboard is just fucking stupid. It creates competition and makes the entire experience better. Everyone I see advocating for the removal of any type of competitive feature for red99 is basically terrified that whenever this server does go up they're going to have to back up all the shit they've been talking on here for how many months. I mean if your only argument for removing optional features that have zero impact on the gameplay of the server is because you don't want to deal with big bad internet meanies then my question to you is why do you even care about a red box in the first place? Theres going to be dickheads one way or another no matter what. Not having a leaderboard or yt isn't going to change peoples attitudes.

[Bardalicious]

Originally Posted by Doors [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Bro I never once stated that removing yt is going to diminish pvp on red99, I said it diminishes the fun of it. Who gives a shit if people are all about it to boost there ego. Do you really think that if they don't put this in the same douchebags aren't going to find another way to get off by rubbing their internet glory in everyones faces?

And not having a leaderboard is just fucking stupid. It creates competition and makes the entire experience better. Everyone I see advocating for the removal of any type of competitive feature for red99 is basically terrified that whenever this server does go up they're going to have to back up all the shit they've been talking on here for how many months. I mean if your only argument for removing optional features that have zero impact on the gameplay of the server is because you don't want to deal with big bad internet meanies then my question to you is why do you even care about a red box in the first place? Theres going to be dickheads one way or another no matter what. Not having a leaderboard or yt isn't going to change peoples attitudes.

I've been playing these EQEmu boxes for the past year - any time yellow text or leaderboards are involved it changes the gameplay for the worse, UNLESS it is a temporary competitive server that is actually meant to have a "winner" (see: discord). You claim I am making an argument for removing optional features because I'm afraid of PVP which is entirely laughable. If you had played any of the past few boxes you'd know perfectly well that I actively seek PVP regardless and make that fact well known.

On the flip side, if you are arguing to implement optional features that have zero impact on the gameplay of the server then why are you arguing for them to be implemented in the first place? The only people that give a shit about some fictitious measure of PVP skill via a ranking system are the same ones that will be out ganking players only when HT refreshes to "win the box". Yellow text changes group PVP for the worse when the same scrubs that give a shit about implementing a system like that are the ones letting their healers get concentrated because they were too busy saving backstab to last-hit that wizard for global ooc bragging rights.

You haven't got a single valid concern for implementing these features other than "omg so fun to brag when i style on u lolol", pretty evident by your claims that anyone that doesn't want them is afraid of PVP. And yet these same people that argue FOR yellow text will likely be the first faggots to zone plug when they are about to die, as if that somehow absolves them from having lost the fight (something I've seen first hand, time and time again fighting these "box legends"). Why would I want to implement server-wide item looting if I was honestly concerned about yellow text happening? You don't need a leaderboard or yellow text to earn the reputation of a good PVPer pal.

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Originally Posted by Bardalicious [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I can't handle the emotional stress from being laughed at in /ooc because of yellow text therefore it shouldn't exist.

[Macken]

Originally Posted by Bardalicious [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If you had played any of the past few boxes you'd know perfectly well that I actively seek PVP regardless and make that fact well known.

Bardalicious spent all of his time on Alter-Gate running in circles around Loio away from Reele.

Didn't matter.

Reele pvp'd Bardalicious on his way to the top of the final leaderboard.

That's why Bardalicious doesn't want this. Fear and bad memories permanantly ingrained in his psyche.

Do not waste your time trying to convince him otherwise. His fear of me is stronger than your logic.

[Doors]

As for an FFA server the subject is beat to death but honestly you'll probably have a higher population red box with team based pvp.

[Pudge]

YT is very important to enjoyable pvp.

it lets you know when and where action is going down. it lets you participate in what is going on, without even being there. and if you see someone getting bind camped, maybe you'll pop in to help him out? or if you see 2 guilds warring in fear, you'll quick put together a group or two with your guild and pop over to get in on the action.

to some ppl, having their name on the wrong side of the YT is far worse than exp loss and a little coin. but those same ppl are the ones who cherish getting it

I don't think YT generally encourages douchebaggery, but getting it IS a prize for killing somebody. And it is easy for level 60s to kill 53s.. so maybe make YT only appear if you're killing somebody within 3 levels of you is better. So a level 60 killing a level 57 would show up, but a level 60 killing a 55 would not. or maybe only have YT show up for the ppl who are 45+ or something.

i don't know, i always like to see the YT. im just trying to come up with a compromise for the ppl who are afraid of it

O! HOW ABOUT THIS:
if dont want ppl getting YTs on other guys going for their corpse run, then maybe rogean could flag it that way. Rogean said he was thinking of a system where someone would be unkillable during their corpse run. how about just "un-YT-able"? they could have a different color name which shows ppl they are on a corpse run, and even if they get killed, no yellow text would result. also, that way no YT would result from bind camping.

[Doors]

Agree with the YT suggestion being based on level ranges.

[Pudge]

i like the idea of exp loss on death. deters bind rushing. make bind rushing legal, but it has more of a risk this way...

.5 bubble if you are level 50 (or 60).
.25 bubble if you are lower.

[Pudge]

Originally Posted by Bardalicious [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I've been playing these EQEmu boxes for the past year

only been playin 1 year? bros on here got over a year of PLAYTIME on the vztz's

get on our level