GM Event Just Held/Finished.

[Sheriff]

Originally Posted by Vharvest [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So, what you should take away from this is that you basically receive zero reward or recognition from the hardcore player base of toxic and hateful players that have stuck around for no other reason than to observe how much MORE toxic they can aspire to be. They get off on it. For you to put some work in to the GM event and then feel as though you weren't appreciated .... well, of course not, because they've never appreciated anything you have done in the past.

My post wasn't meant to insult you, in fact it's more of a stab at those who basically ruin anything you try to put together based on their attitudes towards the game.

Personally, there's no way I could do what you're doing and I respect you for that. I chose strong words and I apologize for that, I was a little out of line for sure, BUT, you should definitely take a step back and realize that new players like, or people coming from blue ..... well, we're going to see a GM event as something special that should be taken advantage of.

Believe me, if I was level 60 with raid gear and I had the slightest chance of affecting the outcome of last night's event, or if I had any influence whatsoever over the inner workings of Holo/Nihi/Azrael/whoever, then I would tell them that they are basically being dbags, but they already know that and so do you.

I'm not offering a fix-all solution to your predicament, but maybe you should just host lower level events or cater to those who have thrown themselves in to the server in an attempt to change it once they reach the required benchmarks in the game to do so.

Maybe you could plant some seeds, foster some of the new faces, and who knows, maybe three months from now you will have a guild who PVP's and isn't full of negativity. Reach out to those who have positive things to say about the work you put in here, instead of trying to earn respect from those who will not give it to you, no matter what you do.

You guys could release Velious tommorow, and the only thing they would have to say is "Why didn't you do it sooner, OMG there are still bugs, OMG this is such garbage." Less than 5% of the "regulars" would actually be genuinely excited about it because they're so jaded right now that Mother Theresa herself could be the GM for the server and it still wouldn't matter.

I'm sorry man, I actually really feel bad for you, but what you're doing is important for the longevity of the server and there are those of us who don't want to see you just throw in the towel because a bunch of trolls are taking you for granted for the millionth time.

The only reason I myself was somewhat negative about the situation is because you basically gave up the moment everyone didn't fall to their knees and praise you for trying something new, HOWEVER...

If you had stuck to your guns instead of acknowledging the fact that their criticism bothered you, and you just move on and do another event next Friday, rest assured that there are players who look forward to that.

It actually discourages the new people more when we see the old people basically running GM support in to the ground, because we'd like to see more stuff like this, but not if it's going to basically signify that you're getting more and more likely to just turn your back on the whole project further.

I have no right to comment with any authority on any of this because like you said, I haven't been able to observe for an extended period of time. I am a blue player of a few years however, and I've been on the forums that entire time, just reading all the crap that you have to put up with, and let me say that it is very regrettable.

Sorry I pissed you off, I could have put it more politely instead of sounding like an Azrael or Nihilum dbag.... I shouldn't spout off about how unhealthy they are for this community and then basically emulate that behavior.

Holy shot ! The very definition of TLDR.

[LostCause]

that nice 2am event.

[Vharvest]

Originally Posted by Sheriff [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Holy shot ! The very definition of TLDR.

Yeah, maybe so, but someone needs to actually communicate with the guy instead of posting a bunch of useless crap or telling him how bad he is or how he messed something up, when I doubt 99% of anyone on these forums could do better. Just saying.

[nilbog]

Originally Posted by Vharvest [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

when I doubt 99% of anyone on these forums could do better. Just saying.

99.9%.

I look forward to scripting large events for both servers once Velious is complete. What a lot of you fail to realize is that GMs don't have a lot of tools to work with; they make live events based on what they have at their disposal. Given time, and preexisting database/perl content, there is a lot that could be/will be done.

[Colgate]

u kno wut could b done nilborg?

item loot

8)

[Sektor]

Originally Posted by Colgate [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

u kno wut could b done nilborg?

item loot

8)

shh

[Vharvest]

Originally Posted by Colgate [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

u kno wut could b done nilborg?

item loot

8)

Actually Colgate is one of the few endgame players I respect because he's never sold out, so if you were going to take the advice of a faithful, it would be him.

And, as a Rallos Zek player on live, item loot was my #1 motivation to PvP and get in the thick of things. There was NOTHING more rewarding in PvP than taking down someone who had better gear than you because you were a more skilled player.

I was a 15 year old kid merc'ing people on my SK who had 30kpp or more worth of gear in advantages on me, and I can still feel the hard-ons I would bust out after killing one of them and getting to wear something of theirs. It would end up being a huge upgrade.

For real, add item loot. Looting plat doesn't really matter.... plat drops everywhere. Looting someone's Fungi though? Epic.

[Technique]

Originally Posted by Derubael [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This isn't limited to "PvE" events. Almost every event we've ever ran on the Red server has turned into a giant bitchfest, and I'm tired of it. With the exception of the lowbie events (which are always fun and enjoyable), all Red events inevitably end up with a handful of very loud, very pissed off people.

I don't think you realize that the degree to which this happens is directly proportional to your level of involvement in these events and how heavy-handed your administration of them is.

I won't deny that this server is populated by several incorrigible shitbags, but they're not particularly intelligent and will behave predictably in reaction to what you present them with.

So when you find yourself "disabling PvP / forcibly DT'ing people to stop PvP", just so your little event can play out how you envisioned it, you're only perpetuating the problems you sought to correct.

[Infectious]

This is a pvp server... Make pvp events. When you were drawing up this event did you really believe everyone was gona join hands and complete this pve event and high five at the end?

[karsten]

a number of people have reiterated that you will need a thick skin to run red, Derubael, and you responded by getting defensive.

Think about dat