Spells: Dragon Roar

[Daldaen]

Bump.

[isiah]

I do think Dragon Roar needs corrected a bit, but I think people are being a bit dramatic on how hard fear dragons are in Velious. At some point, you may need to realize your members aren't properly prepared for such encounters. If you lose to sont with 120 people, then that's a strategy issue, not a fear issue.

Zland can be done with 30 people.

Klandicar can be done with 35-40 easy. Flawless in fact.

Same with sont - Easily done with 55-60 people. We've done it with less.


As someone stated, raid guilds may want to reconsider strategies instead of pointing fingers at dragon roar OP.

[Freakish]

Max fears with 255MR on klandicar. Ate a lot of them. I think they're landing for max too often.

[arsenalpow]

Originally Posted by Freakish [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Max fears with 255MR on klandicar. Ate a lot of them. I think they're landing for max too often.

Even Wuoshi at 255mr was a couple max duration fears. My experience with Sont was a bunch of max duration fears for nearly the entire fight at 255MR. If you're forced to contort your raid force by logging off buff classes and onto rogues so you have enough redundant DPS to win the fight through the broken fear then something is definitely wrong.

Raid forces are way more advanced due to 4 years of Kunark, and back on live Velious was being conquered with way less level 60s in way worse gear so it's expected for those encounters to be harder when your raid force isn't as seasoned. That is not even comparable to the average p99 raid guild. The content should be challenging for sure but it's way beyond that based on my experience with it.

Yes, you can kill the content with the right class mixture and the right strats, but is that mixture realistic when one guild is fielding an entire alt force of rogues (which was never the case on live) or when 3 seasoned guilds combine forces to make an attempt and still sometimes wipe. To me that reeks of unclassic tuning.

[isiah]

6 -8 rogues is not an alt force, which is what we had for Zland and Kland low number kills. In fact, they were all mains.

I just think guilds could prepare a bit better and work on their class composition for raids. It would go a long way.

[Man0warr]

Originally Posted by isiah [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

6 -8 rogues is not an alt force, which is what we had for Zland and Kland low number kills. In fact, they were all mains.

I mean we have seen Rampage with literally 15 rogues for a Sont kill. Lots of them were alts. Nothing wrong with that, Rampage has people with the mindset and time to have alts to field the perfect raid force for untuned encounters.

But most of the other guilds don't. It doesn't matter though, the fearing dragons are overtuned compared to classic Velious and that's why they should be fixed, no other reason.

[isiah]

I may be wrong, but didn't devs state that they were gonna beef up encounters a bit from classic since Kunark was out so long?

[Daldaen]

I don't disagree, rogues > shamans/enchanters/Druids on raids.

That aside - This thread is in the bug forum and therefore about classic.

The evidence supports that the dragons use a no-resist check fear, which was a result should lead to more partial duration fears. Which is more classic than what we have currently where 255 MR players are being feared for 20 seconds.

[Seltius]

They did say they were tweaking some encounters due to that Isiah. I believe there were a couple ToV encounters specifically mentioned.

If you have proof that the encounters are tuned incorrectly then post it but comments on Rampage or other guilds raid makeup or how they do encounters is not productive here. Please stick to posting facts in the bug forums.

[arsenalpow]

Originally Posted by Seltius [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

They did say they were tweaking some encounters due to that Isiah. I believe there were a couple ToV encounters specifically mentioned.

If you have proof that the encounters are tuned incorrectly then post it but comments on Rampage or other guilds raid makeup or how they do encounters is not productive here. Please stick to posting facts in the bug forums.

Did you actually read the thread? Daldaen has some pretty convincing data.

Additionally it is highly relevant that the bleeding edge content raid guild is jumping through some pretty big hoops to mitigate the dragon fear. That needs to be indentified. Like I've said before a p99 raider is much more well prepared than a live player was going into Velious due to Kunark last 5 times longer than it should. Even mid range raid guilds should be at least be clubbing Klan and Zlan with relative ease and Sont should only be moderately more difficult due to the dispel.