Tunare agreement makes like a tree and leafs

[Dillusional]

Originally Posted by Baylan295 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Last I checked, PS killed two ToV dragons during the quake, including the unkillable Gozzrem. COTHing into a many-hours-long shitshow in ToV late in PS’s primetime isn’t a smart call.

And accusations and abuse in OOC? I’m the one that got told to kill myself on Friday night. Pretty sure there was a RnF about that.

Man, I thought this was rants and flames when I posted that stuff! [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] GG on unkillable kill.

[Molitoth]

Originally Posted by Dillusional [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

"Last time I talked to someone who was considering leaving PS they basically told me "well, my main already has all the VP gear I need

-People who are pixel mongers will leave smaller guilds as expected, and most of us know VP isn't really about the quality of loot as most of it is just toys. I think most of PS had drama free fun during this quake and that's what matters.

Originally Posted by Dillusional [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

PS didn't show up for any of the "new content"

-PS/CSG killed Telk (Why was this left up?) and Gozz (Rumored as unkillable?)

/shrug

[rezzie]

Originally Posted by Baylan295 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I’m the one that got told to kill myself on Friday night. Pretty sure there was a RnF about that.

I guild kicked the applicant who said that about 5s after he /ooc'd that, fwiw.

[DromalPhrenia]

that guy got guildremoved for saying that heinous shit so your ooc can be forgiven since it had a positive result... THIS time!

it is cruel and dangerous and messed up to tell someone to kill themselves. i prefer to tell them to go home and be a family man, just like my hero, guile from street fighter


EDIT: gozz was rooted according to patch notes, either rogean was trolling, made an error, or it got changed when he realized a rooting (and thus unpushable) CH dragon would be the worst thing ever

[feniin]

He was rooted, just differently than you expected.

[DromalPhrenia]

it was more fun when i thought we'd need to get the whole server together to dps him down [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Baylan295]

Originally Posted by rezzie [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I guild kicked the applicant who said that about 5s after he /ooc'd that, fwiw.

I know bud - and I appreciated the act. You and I (and a lot of folks from AM) get along just fine. We often disagree or have different perspectives, but you know I respect you and most of your team.

[Francois]

Originally Posted by rezzie [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

• The agreement was proposed to try it out for two weeks to see how it worked.
• Guilds tried it out; Aftermath had concerns about how it was being used.
• No agreement could be reached on revised terms.
• Core/BG/AG attempted a snipe of Tunare after Aftermath spent 6 hours clearing the zone.
• AG makes an RnF to remind everyone who the real bad guys are.

I like reading how you guys see this situation. It's definitely interesting. I thought i'd respond point by point to make this easier to read.

• You're right, the rotation was in it's infancy. We were foolish to not put an end date on it, or a punishment for those that choose to break it without warning for opportunistic reasons. I'm a bit naive sometimes and I hoped it wouldn't become a race to the bottom.
  
• Aftermath's concerns were that they felt they could get more Tunare's than other guilds because of their numbers.
  
  

  DetoxxYesterday at 8:41 PM
  We have 0 problem starting clears at 9pm and then killing tunare at 4am when you all cant. This is not in your best interest I assure you

  It was also suggested (and denied by AM) that they were also frustrated that they were losing the FTE races.
  
  
• I'm sure not everyone is aware of what was going on in our conversations, but you're right that we couldn't come to an agreement. I would describe AM's negotiation style as "take it or leave it". I can't speak for other guild leaders, but what Core wants is the opportunity to raid PoGrowth at a reasonable hour. While we have been successful in PoGrowth lately (thanks in large part to AG), we also don't want to block smaller guilds from experiencing the zone. The solution could be either competitive (most likely FTE races again) or a rotation. What we don't want is for there to be a mechanism that favors zerg guilds.
  
• AM's clear took 9 hours by my count. I keep seeing AM give lower numbers than reality, which seems strange considering the argument here hinges on time invested. You're right though, Core would have engaged Tunare had AM chosen to not agree to the temporary rotation while we come up with a real one.
  
• There's a RnF post made by Dannyl (an AM officer) titled "AG leadership giving up on all rules in ToV". Most threads like this one and the RnF threads don't really serve a purpose other than to let people vent frustrations. We're all guilty of it (including me right now). The alternative is a RnF ban, and that's just not as fun.
  

Thanks for posting. I don't think really anyone was happy with yesterday's situation. I hope that we can find a decent solution to this problem.

[FatherSioux]

Francois always comes off as the reasonable actor in these discussions. Maybe he’s baboozling us all.

[tylercanuck]

Originally Posted by FatherSioux [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Francois always comes off as the reasonable actor in these discussions. Maybe he’s baboozling us all.

Not really. He just admitted his intention to snipe Tunare.

I assume that makes AM's successful Doze snipe all the more satisfying.