A No Stupid Questions About Classic Thread

[Jibartik]

Click this extremely satisfying Everquest link.

https://www.phoenixdragoons.com/items/allItems.html

Expand and contract the window for like 15 minuets like I did.

[AbstractVision]

Remind me, because I'm about to pass out after researching all night, how classic charming worked? You had to do 51% of the damage before charm released, keep your charm until the target died, or your charm had to die in order to get exp?

IIRC you couldn't send a charm pet against a mob, let them both get to 10% break charm and kill them both for exp because once charm broke the server saw that the target did >51% to your charm and the charm (now NPC) did >51% to the target so you wouldn't get exp for either kill without a mem blur or recharm?

I feel like I'm over-stating it, but there is a distinct difference from current p99 charm and classic isn't there? For instance bear pits was never possible in classic for druid because the NPCs would eat all your exp as they did all the damage.

Will research this further when I wake up later, but any help clarifying is welcome.

[Lojik]

Originally Posted by AbstractVision [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Remind me, because I'm about to pass out after researching all night, how classic charming worked? You had to do 51% of the damage before charm released, keep your charm until the target died, or your charm had to die in order to get exp?

IIRC you couldn't send a charm pet against a mob, let them both get to 10% break charm and kill them both for exp because once charm broke the server saw that the target did >51% to your charm and the charm (now NPC) did >51% to the target so you wouldn't get exp for either kill without a mem blur or recharm?

I feel like I'm over-stating it, but there is a distinct difference from current p99 charm and classic isn't there? For instance bear pits was never possible in classic for druid because the NPCs would eat all your exp as they did all the damage.

Will research this further when I wake up later, but any help clarifying is welcome.

I feel like this is a pretty stupid question, but Enchanters on p99 are over the top in how OP they can be both solo and in xp groups by charming stupidly powerful npcs to do the dirty work. The above is a difference that could explain why they get faster solo xp on p99, but it still seems like them charming OP mobs like rogues and wrecking seems over the top. Did charmed NPCs always do full damage? Are there any documented accounts from classic of enchanters charming osargen or similar NPC and just wrecking a zone? Is this something people just didn't figure out? Because it seems like if an enchanter did this in classic, others would see it and be like WTF and you'd see posts on allakhazam osargen page like "he's ok but use him as a charm pet he's F-ing badass."

[Jibartik]

This isnt about that great question but this is my stupid question right now:

My instinct is to spend 1 at the guild leader in order to skill up by using it, if you were at 0 I expect it to never go up.

But that is based on nothing but instinct, is that something that is ingrained in me from classic? or some other era?

[Deathrydar]

I have no idea what the last two posts said...

[Jibartik]

I have this like gut instinct that say you wanted to skillup swimming, but your swimming was (0)

If you went to a pond and swam for 10 years your skill would remain at (0)

You would have to go to a guildmaster and train in swimming (1) before you could skillup on your own.

Is this from classic? Did I get this instinct from another era I played through on live? Is it like that movie Yesterday where the beetles never existed, and in this case this feature never existed in this timeline? I don't know I would believe any of those.

But I was wondering if anyone knew? [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Deathrydar]

Originally Posted by Jibartik [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I have this like gut instinct that say you wanted to skillup swimming, but your swimming was (0)

If you went to a pond and swam for 10 years your skill would remain at (0)

You would have to go to a guildmaster and train in swimming (1) before you could skillup on your own.

Is this from classic? Did I get this instinct from another era I played through on live? Is it like that movie Yesterday where the beetles never existed, and in this case this feature never existed in this timeline? I don't know I would believe any of those.

But I was wondering if anyone knew? [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I will say this: I just came back to playing on Tuesday and even though my Sense Heading was mapped to my WASD keys, it never leveled up. i went and trained 1 point into it and, viola, it's at 136 now....

[Jibartik]

Originally Posted by Deathrydar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I will say this: I just came back to playing on Tuesday and even though my Sense Heading was mapped to my WASD keys, it never leveled up. i went and trained 1 point into it and, viola, it's at 136 now....

Wow swimming I am (99) percent sure goes up to (1) from (0) I wonder if its all just random, or if there actually was rules for it or not somewhere.

[Lojik]

Originally Posted by Deathrydar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I have no idea what the last two posts said...

Sorry if my rambling wasn't concise. You can basically just look at just the bolded questions.

Originally Posted by Lojik [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I feel like this is a pretty stupid question, but Enchanters on p99 are over the top in how OP they can be both solo and in xp groups by charming stupidly powerful npcs to do the dirty work. The above is a difference that could explain why they get faster solo xp on p99, but it still seems like them charming OP mobs like rogues and wrecking seems over the top. Did charmed NPCs always do full damage? Are there any documented accounts from classic of enchanters charming osargen or similar NPC and just wrecking a zone? Is this something people just didn't figure out? Because it seems like if an enchanter did this in classic, others would see it and be like WTF and you'd see posts on allakhazam osargen page like "he's ok but use him as a charm pet he's F-ing badass."

[Jimjam]

Originally Posted by Deathrydar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I will say this: I just came back to playing on Tuesday and even though my Sense Heading was mapped to my WASD keys, it never leveled up. i went and trained 1 point into it and, viola, it's at 136 now....

You can actually get a skill up at sense heading with 0 skill.

It's just that you are so unlikely to have that happen you will be approximately level 30 by the time button mashing sense heading using the arrow keys gets that first skill up.

Once you do have that (1) skill, it will rocket all the way up to (200).

(edit: This is what happened with one of my toons)