new patch ench charm

[ziahh]

Originally Posted by ziahh [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

since poeple cant read previous page

here the raw data since 2002

http://lucy.allakhazam.com/spellhist...84&source=Live

and OMG look at the duration!!!

2002-09-04 11:33 Changed Durationtext from 15.7 mins @L49 to 19.0 mins @L60 to 15.7 mins @L49 to 20.5 mins @L65

huh what! 15min.7 -19min before 2002 ...

[Blingx]

Allure - Duration: 14.8 mins @L46 to 20.5 mins @L65
http://lucy.allakhazam.com/spellhist...84&source=Live
2002-03-07 11:32 Initial Entry


Allure - Charm upgrade, new cap of level 50 mobs. This spell will use 245 mana to cast, and has durations just like the last 3 charms. It just targets bigger stuff now--and takes 6 seconds to cast. Research spell with Nitilims Grimoire pages 378 & 379.
http://xornn.tripod.com/news.htm
Wednesday, October 31, 2001 - Added this news page so people can actually see if something new has been posted. Finished the 15th Circle (53) and began work on the 16th Circle.

Also "This web-site was last updated Thursday, February 28, 2002"



Perspective: Release date(s) December 4, 2001 Shadows of Luclin

[ziahh]

Originally Posted by Blingx [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Allure - Duration: 14.8 mins @L46 to 20.5 mins @L65
http://lucy.allakhazam.com/spellhist...84&source=Live
2002-03-07 11:32 Initial Entry


Allure - Charm upgrade, new cap of level 50 mobs. This spell will use 245 mana to cast, and has durations just like the last 3 charms. It just targets bigger stuff now--and takes 6 seconds to cast. Research spell with Nitilims Grimoire pages 378 & 379.
http://xornn.tripod.com/news.htm
Wednesday, October 31, 2001 - Added this news page so people can actually see if something new has been posted. Finished the 15th Circle (53) and began work on the 16th Circle.

We dont care about some internet site that a guy made a sunny sunday out of boredom. the lucy data are all the change that has been made on live server since 2002 and even earlier.

[Blingx]

Originally Posted by ziahh [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

We dont care about some internet site that a guy made a sunny sunday out of boredom. the lucy data are all the change that has been made on live server since 2002 and even earlier.

Dedicated Enchanter makes website describing Enchanter class at time of interest = we dont care. gotcha.

Internet Site Guy Made Initial Data
December 4, 2001 Shadows of Luclin
Lucy Initial Data
October 29, 2002 Planes of Power

[baalzy]

Ziahh, keep in mind that charm duration is the maximum duration.

[Lasher]

All those are stating is the max duration which you would see on live if you charmed somehting green or if the mob was few lvls below you tashed and malosini on it

[Blingx]

eqcastersrealm
Allure Single Target Random Duration Charm Spell (Level 50 Cap) Alt. Research. 245

Max Duration: 8 minutes (July 01)

[Attos]

From what I remember on live charm would last ~1 fight or about 6 minutes.

It would often break before then but that's why you rooted the mob you were fighting and didn't haste your pet and killed it after 1 fight.

Charisma more effected the resist rate of a mob to charm and not the duration. Duration was determined by a repeated MR/Level check.

I feel like it might be a little overbalanced right now - shouldn't be getting 6-8 20 second charms in a row but letting a chanter and a cleric group with a pet that only breaks every 15min - super op. Hasted pet + cheals and CC makes duoing any camp a breeze and although I've enjoyed it on both my chanter and my cleric it seems that time has come to an end.

[Aisi]

I don't have a problem with the charm and whirl changes. They feel exactly in line with how things were in classic as far as I can remember.

But come on, fix the hate values for our spells. PBAE stun and mez should not have this much hate associated with it. I don't know where you got your values from but [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] sigh it's not classic at all. I overlooked the problems with mez feeling so off when I was overpowered and had a pet dishing huge damage in groups but if you're going to take away those things at least look into lowering the hate on mez and PBAE stun to their classic values (which I know no one knows, but it's definitely not this high).

[nalkin]

Originally Posted by Nedala [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

15min + charms were FAR from average. Average, especially in kunark, was probably 5 mins, imo charm was perfectly fine the way it was, now its just useless. I already noticed a lot more charm breaks in kunark dungeons than in classic prior to the patch. I just can't believe ench charm was this weak on live with cha on cap.

Ehh idk. When i grouped with Glitch a few weeks ago and I malad the mob, that thing would last forever. Probably over 20min. Maybe I am not remembering correctly or Glitch can say better, but it seemed to last a very very long time. And to have such certainty with that strength of a pet seems OP to me. IMO it should last around 6min on average. If that was the case then I agree it should be reverted back to that.

I do have a bit of a sour taste in my mouth from seeing enchanters soloing so easily for the past year with whirl and charm being way OP. I remember just sitting in kedge watching enchanter chain whirl undertow with charmed seahorse and the seahorse took near 0 damage. Same thing with Estrella. It was just incredibly easy for enchanter to kill these camps which a group would have difficulty doing.