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Originally Posted by Vexenu
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I support azxten's efforts here and salute his perseverance in digging up evidence. Everyone who played in the Classic era knows Enchanters were nothing like they are on P1999. The reason OP is getting such pushback is not because he's wrong, but because so many P199 players have an Enchanter they use to solo/duo farm with. Reminiscent of the old quote that "it's difficult to get a man to understand something when his livelihood depends on him not understanding it".
It's too late to undo the damage OP Enchanters have caused at this point, but it would be very nice if they were brought classically in line for the next iteration of Green. I think the evidence he's gathered is very compelling if people would actually bother to look at it. Also keep in mind that some of the best evidence that Enchanters in general and charm in particular is OP is the glaring LACK of evidence in wayback EQ posts of discussion about exploiting the power of charm. This is exactly the same situation we had with combat bind wound, which was another ridiculously unclassic mechanic that people were exploiting. They tried to claim there was no evidence that it didn't exist in classic. Which was correct. Because it wasn't a thing. The best evidence against it was the fact that NO ONE TALKED ABOUT IT. Whereas if it had existed it would have been talked about non-stop especially on the Monk forums as a soloing tactic. But there was literally not a single mention of it anywhere. Routine Enchanter charm soloing occupies a similar situation in the classic era. It wasn't talked about simply because there was nothing to talk about! Everyone who tried it recognized that it was basically suicidal and horribly XP inefficient, especially indoors and solo/unbuffed. It wasn't a thing back then and it shouldn't be a thing on P1999. But not only is it a thing here, it is THE thing, to the extent that it's literally the defining aspect of the class on P1999 above and beyond buffing and CC. Absolutely unclassic.
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Thank you and in particular for understanding that nuance. When P99 has an overpowered mechanic it's very difficult to "prove" it wasn't that way because no one talks about something overpowered that didn't exist in classic. If you provide player posts saying how charm was trash, dangerous, etc the rebuttal is just that they didn't understand how to use it. Same as the bind wound thing.
Ultimately, it doesn't really matter in my opinion because it's obvious charm is abused/overpowered and if it was this way on live it would have been nerfed. Bind wound is the same thing. Just because a tiny number of players may have known about what essentially amounts to a game breaking mechanic and it didn't get nerfed during live doesn't mean wide spread abuse should be ignored on P99. People want to say I hate Enchanter or something. No, I just like P99. What I see right now is a very anti-social MMO and a huge part of it is Enchanter. It's like the key that holds together all the trivialization at all levels of the game.
I'd really love to see if there is a single provable example of an Enchanter in classic era charming planar mobs with any degree of success. I have found a few mentions that such things never happened. Enchanters complaining that they feel useless in planes and can't even mez due to resists and aggro problems.
I've always struggled to understand how the hordes of Enchanter pets I've seen on raids on P99 during classic era were ever possible in live classic. Not even just from a mechanic perspective but also the outright in your face overpowered abusive nature of it that there is zero chance would be ignored by the developers at the time. The hardest mobs in the game at the time and Enchanter is allowed to easily control them and use them in teams to generate insane DPS trivializing planar clears? I don't see it flying. I don't see it even having been possible as an edge case. It was certainly possible in a roll the dice for your 10% chance to not wipe the raid or kill yourself sense and that is how the in era posts talk about it.
Similarly, why do Enchanters never struggle with aggro like they did on live? Is it really true no one knew SKs could cast disease cloud or whatever? No, it seems to be the mez mem blur not reapplying on every cast. Enchanters would mez a mob 2-3 times and it would all be stacked aggro whereas on P99 it mem blurs each cast giving you only a single mez worth of aggro. Everyone remembers Enchanters panicing and jumping around like idiots even when they knew they should stay still. Nothing would break that aggro but on P99 it's a total non-issue and on the rare chance you do get any kind of aggro you can just channel any spell you want to take care of it. No root getting interrupted 5 times and you die. It'll go right through and save you.
03-19-2021, 08:56 PM
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