Can we talk about the future of P99?

[cd288]

Again, I'm assuming you haven't been around since pre-2019. This is really not uncommon at all with P99. Rogean and Nilbog's enthusiasm/engagement comes in waves. Look how long it took to get Velious on Blue? And then from there, how long it took to finally get the Surefall Glade patch. And how long it took Green to even come around (years).

Sometimes they are just not that engaged with P99 for a very long time. Relax.

Also not sure what you mean by "no changes to be made". There are already things that came up during the course of Green that were non-classic that they said would be changed in the next server iteration. That takes time, work, and most importantly the desire to expend that energy for free. Eventually they will decide they feel like doing it. Until then we're in limbo. Pretty par for the course for P99.

TLP has no influence on this because that's the whole point of the legal agreement. Daybreak allowed them to operate as long as the P99 servers don't go past Velious.

[shovelquest]

So you've read the daybreak agreement?

[cd288]

?

They've discussed that aspect of it before and stated that part of the legal permission is that they don't go past Velious. Maybe try not being so opinionated about something when you don't have the historical knowledge about the subject.

[shovelquest]

Everyone has a different tale about what the agreement is.

[loramin]

Originally Posted by shovelquest [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So you've read the daybreak agreement?

As CD noted:

Originally Posted by cd288 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

the agreement was in place well before Green existed

As per https://wiki.project1999.com/Daybreak_Game_Company, the agreement came in 2015 ... long before Green's release in 2019. So it's highly unlikely the agreement is the issue here.

Also, that same page has some great quotes from staff/former staff, which make it pretty clear Daybreak's goal was never to stop P99.

Originally Posted by shovelquest [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'm sure that TLP being the only way daybreak makes money has some influence.

It would not be unreasonable for P99 to agree to avoid certain server release dates, to avoid "cannibalizing" potential players from Daybreak. The fact that Green was released in October 2019, right in-between Aradune (March, 2019) and Mangler (May 2020) adds support to this theory ... but again, no one knows for sure, and even if it was true, it wouldn't stop a new server.

Originally Posted by shovelquest [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

we're just supposed to believe that Rogan and nilbog just don't care at all if the project dies?

Both Green and Blue are still holding a health enough population. It may not be ideal, but Project 1999 is in no danger of dying anytime soon.

Look, it is very frustrating that the P99 staff doesn't communicate. It's also frustrating that nothing appears to be happening with a new server.

But don't let your frustration lead you to draw incorrect conclusions. The staff have always been secretive, and have always always moved at a slower pace than the player base wants ... but they've also always kept to their goal of trying to enable people to experience classic EQ.

[Duik]

Originally Posted by shovelquest [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Everyone has a different tale about what the agreement is.

Yes. But only one of them is correct.
They (RogBog) are under no obligation to even tell us what it is.

Relaxing will help.

[Jimjam]

Remember when everyone was like “there is never gonna be another server” and green dropped out of nowhere.

Hell, remember how people were saying velious would never come to p99?

[shovelquest]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Look, it is very frustrating that the P99 staff doesn't communicate. It's also frustrating that nothing appears to be happening with a new server.

But don't let your frustration lead you to draw incorrect conclusions. The staff have always been secretive, and have always always moved at a slower pace than the player base wants ... but they've also always kept to their goal of trying to enable people to experience classic EQ.

Im not frustrated, I assume there is a legal reason this pirated game is not able to release new servers while daybreak makes the lionshare of its rev from TLP servers (which it started right around 2015, and while activision was fighting to shut down nost for that very reason with wow).

from your wiki link:

that formally recognizes Project 1999 as a fan based, not-for-profit, classic EverQuest emulation project.

I said the reason likely is its expensive and they can't make proffit and dont want to wipe the other servers.

[loramin]

Originally Posted by Jimjam [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Remember when everyone was like “there is never gonna be another server” and green dropped out of nowhere.

Hell, remember how people were saying velious would never come to p99?

https://www.project1999.com/forums/s...d.php?t=123611

Originally Posted by webrunner5 (2013)

The internet will be banned before Velious comes out. Stop worrying. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[shovelquest]

Originally Posted by Jimjam [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Remember when everyone was like “there is never gonna be another server” and green dropped out of nowhere.

Hell, remember how people were saying velious would never come to p99?

Not really, I remember taking time off months in advance for green, which I was anticipating for like a year practicing classic quests.