Trakanon feb 20

[Alarti0001]

Originally Posted by Tanthallas [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You should really read other peoples posts before responding to them.

1. The claim was that the changes to Trakanon were at the bottom of this.

2. I supported that claim; it was indeed the increased agro range of Trakanon that caused him to agro everyone on the ledge, whereas before he would not have.

Shit happens in Everquest. The point here is to determine whether a guild is consciously and blatantly griefing and/or training another guild, not to assume it whenever anything happens that you dont like. FE's raid wiped along with TMO when this shit happened; it is fairly obvious that there was no such behavior here on either side.

What stopped you from getting resed up and killing Trak faster than us? We were all in the same spot....

Clerics died =) You know... due to your trains.

[Alarti0001]

Originally Posted by Tanthallas [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You should really read other peoples posts before responding to them.

1. The claim was that the changes to Trakanon were at the bottom of this.

2. I supported that claim; it was indeed the increased agro range of Trakanon that caused him to agro everyone on the ledge, whereas before he would not have.

Shit happens in Everquest. The point here is to determine whether a guild is consciously and blatantly griefing and/or training another guild, not to assume it whenever anything happens that you dont like. FE's raid wiped along with TMO when this shit happened; it is fairly obvious that there was no such behavior here on either side.

What stopped you from getting resed up and killing Trak faster than us? We were all in the same spot....

Ignorance and Ineptitude are not an excuse to train. Its your job as a leader to stop your retards from pulling/dragging corpses if you cant trust them to do so properly. But I guess in your case its like the blind leading the blind.

[Arrisard]

Originally Posted by Alarti0001 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Heh we don't post until after GM rulings. =) Well most of us don't.

Please don't my UI is so unclassic I'm embarassed ;_;

[Alarti0001]

Originally Posted by Arrisard [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Please don't my UI is so unclassic I'm embarassed ;_;

Lol I won't unless giving permission etc....

[Autotune]

Originally Posted by Nerosys [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If TMO had a credible fraps of us training them i assure you it would have been posted here in Triplicate.

Like Alarti says, they generally wait until after a ruling (or lack thereof)

Originally Posted by Tanthallas [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You should really read other peoples posts before responding to them.

1. The claim was that the changes to Trakanon were at the bottom of this.

2. I supported that claim; it was indeed the increased agro range of Trakanon that caused him to agro everyone on the ledge, whereas before he would not have.

Shit happens in Everquest. The point here is to determine whether a guild is consciously and blatantly griefing and/or training another guild, not to assume it whenever anything happens that you dont like. FE's raid wiped along with TMO when this shit happened; it is fairly obvious that there was no such behavior here on either side.

What stopped you from getting resed up and killing Trak faster than us? We were all in the same spot....

You should read the GM posts on the forums about controlling your trains as a guild. Regardless of the reasoning behind it you and your guild are responsible for mobs/targets that you have aggro of.

[Autotune]

Originally Posted by Autotune [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You should read the GM posts on the forums about controlling your trains as a guild. Regardless of the reasoning behind it you and your guild are responsible for mobs/targets that you have aggro of.

Especially considering how TMO got raid suspended on a ruling like this. Where our member brought mobs back to a corpse of a raid target that another guild intentionally put themselves on the aggro list trying to KS.

[Eccezan]

Originally Posted by Tanthallas [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You should really read other peoples posts before responding to them.

1. The claim was that the changes to Trakanon were at the bottom of this.

2. I supported that claim; it was indeed the increased agro range of Trakanon that caused him to agro everyone on the ledge, whereas before he would not have.

Shit happens in Everquest. The point here is to determine whether a guild is consciously and blatantly griefing and/or training another guild, not to assume it whenever anything happens that you dont like. FE's raid wiped along with TMO when this shit happened; it is fairly obvious that there was no such behavior here on either side.

What stopped you from getting resed up and killing Trak faster than us? We were all in the same spot....

FE claims excuses and ignorance for their bad behavior.

The bottom line is that there were multiple trains to ledge of Juggs and Trak, they were ALL caused by FE. Assuming your point that "Trak Aggro Changes" were the result of this, how does it effect the fact that when you aggro a raid mob, you aren't allowed to train the other guild with it, and proceed to wipe them MULTIPLE TIMES on fraps? I don't see where in the rules it states this? Where is this hidden "retard clause" per say?

No one is saying that you aren't allowed to train yourselves multiple times and wipe your own raid. The issue is when you train other guilds with your trains, multiple times killing all of their clerics. These trains were fraspd and directly resulted in a complete wipe of our raid.

Now putting the shoe on the other foot, lets say we were the ones who directly aggroed trak MULTIPLE TIMES, and ran him over to ledge MULTIPLE TIMES, and proceed to wipe you entirely. And you happened to get this on fraps both times in entirety. Would you be pissed off and up in arms? Oh you bet you would! Would we be probably getting raid susepended, yes we probably would.

We don't expect anything different here.

Tell me Sloan, would you be up in arms? I think so. Fraps or it didn't happen? Well luckily we have fraps, and now the GM's have fraps. So lucky for us, it did happen.

Furthermore for one of your trainers (Merck) to be the same guy who was caught on fraps training us 2 days prior at trak is pretty ironic. Yes, that was caught blatantly on fraps as well. And yes, the GM's have that one too.

We don't mind real competition, but this brand of raid interference is clearly against the spirit of PVE. Forceful Entry getting really pathetic and desperate to try blatant trains against the competition like this. (not in VP) Well see how things shake out.

[Scowlie]

The TMO RNF circlejerk crew seems pretty upset today.

Pretty cute to see you guys try to spin this as FE training when you probably trained your own raid. Regardless of that, I have multiple fraps of TMO training Trak ledge over the past month.

And if we want to talk about suspending guilds from raiding ... lets talk about your entire raid logging in for Trak 15 minutes before he spawned. Remember that? I sure do.

Accept your loss like real men and try again next spawn.

[Eccezan]

Originally Posted by Scowlie [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The TMO RNF circlejerk crew seems pretty upset today.

Pretty cute to see you guys try to spin this as FE training when you probably trained your own raid. Regardless of that, I have multiple fraps of TMO training Trak ledge over the past month.

And if we want to talk about suspending guilds from raiding ... lets talk about your entire raid logging in for Trak 15 minutes before he spawned. Remember that? I sure do.

Accept your loss like real men and try again next spawn.

haha sorry no - We know when we have something really evident and malicious, and this is definitely something. But thanks for offering.

[Yapas]

Originally Posted by Scowlie [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The TMO RNF circlejerk crew seems pretty upset today.

Pretty cute to see you guys try to spin this as FE training when you probably trained your own raid. Regardless of that, I have multiple fraps of TMO training Trak ledge over the past month.

And if we want to talk about suspending guilds from raiding ... lets talk about your entire raid logging in for Trak 15 minutes before he spawned. Remember that? I sure do.

Accept your loss like real men and try again next spawn.

Pathetic Troll..