DAOC: Uthgard Revamp

[Scrooge]

Originally Posted by Sssleeve [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

i was really interested in playing this because I love MMO pvp but the pve was clunky as balls

do you use a voice chat that can provide information live while i stuggle to get a grip if i make an effort to try this again?

We most likely will when there's a need for it, Uthgard actually has it's own TS. If we end up making our own guild instead of joining another, we'll have our own private channel also, unless one of the members has a better option that is.

When we start up, I'll post everyone's names / classes / realm in this thread, so you can ask any one of our non-p99 players for assistance any time, that goes for everyone who wants to roll with our team!

I've created an IRC channel for our guild-to-be, for the time being, for all of us to meet in, on irc.rizon.net, channel #fury. It's great especially for a crew with varying time zones, we should all idle in our channel as much as possible, to get familiar with each other, live chat is a much better way of me answering any additional questions you may have, or even scheduling group times by posting them in the topic.

If you've never used IRC before, it's a simple chat-room kind of server, stands for Internet Relay Chat. To get the windows client, go to www.mirc.com, it's a fairly straight forward setup. Once you setup your nick/alias (use your p99 forum names for now, so I'll know who's who for the time being,) do /server irc.rizon.net, then /join #fury. You can even register your nick with a password so that no one can steal your name there and we'll always know it's the real you, syntax is: /msg Nickserv register passwordhere emailhere, then you'll get an email with a confirmation code you'll have to enter and that's that.

I'll cya all there!

[Nihilist_santa]

Oh and I will be playing Midgard when it launches. Probably roll Shadowblade or Runemaster. Midgard for life!

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Originally Posted by Nihilist_santa [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Oh and I will be playing Midgard when it launches. Probably roll Shadowblade or Runemaster. Midgard for life!

I want to go Midgard also, and even though I can make that decision for my team, I prefer we'd take a vote on it, on IRC. That's another reason I want us all to meet in the channel I made in the post above, to figure things like that out so no one feels left out.

I'm usually a Skald whenever I play Mid, I liked it so much that I had 2 lvl 50 Skalds on Uthgard, just because the first time I leveled on Uth was during 2006-2007 when not only was XP slow as shit, and server was way buggy than 2 years later, but I didn't get to enjoy the BGs the way I wanted to due to lack of population at the time as well.

As fate would have it, one of my old guildies was starting up a char to play with the rest of the guild, so I made a new Skald to level and pvp with him on the way up, and I've enjoyed that experience tremendously, as you can tell from this screenie here!

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That's how we roll! 2 level 43s vs an RR5 L50 Blademaster, and we had even more of a handicap cause the Savage didn't enchant his player-made weps, which made him miss 50% of the time (he actually thought it was the class that was broken for a while cause of that.)

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http://uthgard.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=33565
Check the 2nd post on that link Scrooge for info about xp revamp.

[Cookiefist]

I remember when DAOC came out during EQ generation. Lots of my guild mates quit so we had to recruit more members to raid. A month later most of them came back lol.

Anywho, How does the PVE aspect suck and the PVP shines? Usually its the other way around...

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Originally Posted by Cookiefist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I remember when DAOC came out during EQ generation. Lots of my guild mates quit so we had to recruit more members to raid. A month later most of them came back lol.

Anywho, How does the PVE aspect suck and the PVP shines? Usually its the other way around...

Unlike EQ, DAoC was made around the aspect of 'Realm vs Realm' PvP, so those people trying the game for the first time and coming from EQ, will find the PvE to be much simpler. I wouldn't say that DAoC PvE sucks, it's just different in it's own way.

There are 3 different Weapon damage types, like Slash, Crush, and Thrust. Certain types of mobs (pve) may be either weak or strong to a certain damage type, you can see it like 'You hit a skeleton for 8 (-5) damage," which would mean there's a penalty for using such a weapon against such a mob type. Most of the time it's just simple logic, using a hammer to crush a skeleton's bones.

This is also true for PvP, certain Armor is weak/strong against certain Weapon damage. It may seem complex at first, but it's quite easy once you learn the works. This kind of knowledge can have quite an impact on what types of weapons to use in what kind of situation, be it PvE or PvP.

The RvR (pvp) can only be done in RvR enabled zones, such as the frontiers, Darkness Falls (dungeon), as well as the 3 frontier dungeons, 1 per each realm's frontier.

The RvR system however is quite complex; every realm has it's own frontier, and each frontier is made up of 4 zones. Though unlike in EQ, there are no zone lines in the open world, you only have to "zone in" to dungeons, or if you're teleporting to an outpost located in the enemy frontier. Each realm also has it's own keeps, which can be taken over by the enemy and claimed for their guild, the guild's banners will be shown all over said keep. There's actual siege warfare in this game, where you can 'craft' siege rams to break the doors, catapults, ballistas, etc.

There are 7 keeps per frontier, as well as 2 Relic keeps - which house 1 Relic each per realm, 1 Strength Relic and 1 Magic Relic, when every realm owns both their relics, there's a neutral balance. If you take 1 enemy Strengh Relic, your entire realm's melee damage will go up 5%, and 10% if you take both.

Also, whichever realm owns the most keeps, will open up access to the PvP Dungeon called 'Darkness Falls,' it's a very large dungeon, and a very popular place to XP/RvR in.

When we'll be leveling up, there are these RvR zones separate from the open realm, the battlegrounds (BGs.) Each BG has a level range, like L20-L30 for instance, and a keep in the middle of the zone. Whichever realm owns that keep, will grant a realm-wide 25% XP bonus for that level range. Certain zones also have their own passive XP bonuses, and the keeps taken in the frontier grant some bonuses as well, all those XP bonuses stack.

So if Darkness Falls has a 25% XP bonus, and we own the BG keep for our level range, we'll have a 50% XP bonus just like that. That's why I don't consider Uthgard XP to be that difficult like some people say, there are always ways to make the experience go faster if that's what you want, although I personally prefer to XP in various zones, and the BGs, to keep things interesting.

[Erasong]

new to DAoC. i stayed with eq when this originally launched and i lost a few eq buds to it. would really like to give it a try now.

[Scrooge]

For those who missed this info:

There's currently some difference of choice as far as which realm we'll be going to, I though we all wanted to go Midgard, but some are leaning towards Albion and Hibernia as well.

So if you guys want to level and/or pvp with our group right from the start, just specify what you would play in all 3 realms as a first/main char. Some people intend on playing 2 classes too, one with the group, and one when the rest aren't around, so as to stay within 3-4 levels of the rest of the group.

So if we end up going to a realm other than Midgard, we can plan ahead which class roles we want to fill like so;

Midgard: Augmentation Healer (battle healer) / Skald (bard type)
Albion: Armsman (pure tank) / Minstrel (bard type) / Sorceror (main CC of Albion)
Hibernia: Mentalist / Warden (battle healer type)

If you need more info on what classes can do, this char builder is most compatible with Uthgard (with exception of the [C] classes, those won't be available.)

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We're going to need volunteers for the following group/guild slots, regardless of which realm we'll go to:

Primary Healing:
Secondary Healing:
Primary Crowd Control:
Secondary Crowd Control:
Primary Bomber:
Secondary Bomber:
Primary Shield Tank:
Secondary Shield Tank:
General Melee DPS:
General Caster DPS:

Main Healers: Druid/Hib, Cleric/Alb, Healer/Mid
+Druid Regrowth Spec
+Cleric Rejuvenation Spec
+Healer Mending Spec

Main Buffers: Druid/Hib, Cleric/Alb, Shaman/Mid
+Druid Regrowth Spec
+Cleric Enhancement Spec
+Shaman Augmentation Spec

Main CCers: Bard/Hib, Sorceror/Alb, Healer/Mid
+Bard Music Spec (are also Hibernia's primary speed class)
+Sorceror Mind Spec
+Healer Pacification Spec
+All 3 of these classes come with mana-regen spells/songs.

Main Bombers: Enchanter & Eldritch/Hib, Wizard/Alb, Spiritmaster/Mid
+Enchanter & Eldritch Mana Spec
+Wizard Path of Ice Spec
+Spiritmaster Suppression Spec

Main Shield Tanks: Hero/Hib, Armsman/Alb, Warrior/Mid
+Requires 42+ Shield Spec for Slam (9s anytime stun at L42)


Main Bombers = PBAOE damage casters = strongest and fastest damage output in the game. Provides not only for fun PvP but also very fast leveling, for those familiar with the EQ bomb groups, it's very similar but without the AE stun (except for Mids, Midgard Healers get AE stuns.)

[Scrooge]

I recommend everyone who's new to the game, or hasn't played in a very long time, to check out the official site for Classes/Races and what they can do, etc.

Classes & Races,

I'll reserve this post for the list of names in this thread who'd like to give this a go, if there's anyone missing let me know. "Name - Class choices"

Scrooge - Mentalist (hib)
Weekapaug - bard/hero/ranger/druid, cleric/merc/minst
Caridry - ?
mrgoochio - ?
foxxhound
Ugrask - dps
Lyrith - CC/Healer
Scikala
Zade - primary healer/dps, his friend - ?
fishingme - scout, valewalker/animist/enchanter, bonedancer/thane
Leeyuuduu
phacemeltar - CC/dps/utility
Sssleeve
Nihilist_santa (mid)
Erasong - ?
Cookiefist - ?

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The PvP system in this game has it's own XP bar, filled by killing players obviously, but every bubble of XP you fill (10% of a level), you gain 1 RA point, which is the equivalent of EQ AAs basically. There are lots of different AAs; some are unique to certain classes, others can only be obtained at certain PvE levels, and then there are those which have pre-requirements of having other RAs (the new RA system did away with things like this, but from what I've read about the revamp - the old RA system is making a comeback.)

Some people will tell you that a certain class has to have this and that RAs just to be able to PvP, but that's mostly BS, it all comes down to your personal play style combined with prioritizing certain RAs over others. I tend to invest points into something which helps me not only PvP better, but PvE better too, like if you're a caster. a healer, or even a hybrid class that uses mana, then passive mana regen is a must imo, think of it like Flowing Thought or that other AA whose name I've forgotten.

There are 5 levels of passive abilities, every level costs more points than the one before it, and even if you were to obtain as many RA points as the game allows, you'll never be able to have ALL the abilities. That's one of the major differences between EQ and DAoC, in EQ you can max out all your skills and AAs over time, but in DAoC it all comes down to choices; choosing which skills you'll have from leveling and which skills you'll have from RvR.