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[Wallicker]

Originally Posted by Hazek [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Regen song still works while meleeing, just not as much, and casters will be full HP most of the time anyway and can regen between pulls with a lute.

And all of this is besides the fact that you don't get a good single target dot until lvl 38, then 46.

So you gunna mez then use your AOE dot? Or you just gunna twist buff songs with your instruments. Enhancing your buff songs doesn't automatically make things more efficient because you're sacrificing potential melee damage with an FBSS / haste / good weapons. If you didn't have FBSS then maybe straight buffing is better. But if you're only buffing then why not just bring a shaman or real DPS? Rather have a rogue or literally any true DPS than bard buffs and nothing else.

Do you know a bards DPS just swinging the sticks? I’ll keep playing this trolled game. No I will never use pbaoe dots in a group, I reserve that for when I’m killing 8 mobs simultaneously solo in unrest or whatever. Even at low lvls the bard regen song is extremely powerful when enhanced it is the best regen in the game. It saves Clerics and druids TONS of mana, even enough to allow them to nuke sometimes. Shamans and necros the mana saved is two fold due to lich and canni. Any caster has a manastone great even better. I have healed groups solo as a bard low lvls no problems. If your melee and casters are all full hp. Pulse mana song. If your melee and casters are full hp and mana do whatever the hell you want your group obviously isn’t being challenged, but for the sake of min/maxing efficiency as a bard, pre-epic, you should have your instruments out 99% of the time.

[Zal22]

Originally Posted by Bardp1999 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This thread needs Cipro

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Oh wait Hazfuck / Nordick / Solmenghughn created this.

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[Zal22]

OP also has pathetic wisdom. If it was higher, he might realise in hindsight that rolling a dark man of anything besides a cloth caster was a bad idea.

Sincerely,
Yo mamma. You hongrey?

[Hazek]

Originally Posted by Wallicker [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Do you know a bards DPS just swinging the sticks? I’ll keep playing this trolled game. No I will never use pbaoe dots in a group, I reserve that for when I’m killing 8 mobs simultaneously solo in unrest or whatever. Even at low lvls the bard regen song is extremely powerful when enhanced it is the best regen in the game. It saves Clerics and druids TONS of mana, even enough to allow them to nuke sometimes. Shamans and necros the mana saved is two fold due to lich and canni. Any caster has a manastone great even better. I have healed groups solo as a bard low lvls no problems. If your melee and casters are all full hp. Pulse mana song. If your melee and casters are full hp and mana do whatever the hell you want your group obviously isn’t being challenged, but for the sake of min/maxing efficiency as a bard, pre-epic, you should have your instruments out 99% of the time.

Do you know a bards DPS with parses?

We're comparing damage. So what 4 songs are you using?

Mana song isn't affected by instruments so that's irrelevant.

A lute can still be used during downtime, and heal song still works without an instrument.

High regen is situational because some people will be capped all the time like mages and can regen during pulls. And if you're just standing there twisting buffs then you might as well bring a shaman, a rogue or literally any other class. Even my pally would be more effective.

And if you're twisting 4 dots at level 46 then that's 4 other songs you won't be using. Melee doesn't have that problem. They can still twist 4 other songs like heal, twitch, mez, charm, DS, etc, while still doing good damage with gear and haste. Even dots if you wanted to.

Resists for specific raid mobs are the exception.

[Wallicker]

You lost me at high regen is situational

[Hazek]

Extra WIS on pallies is only good for starting with extra mana. Otherwise its useless beyond the first pull and only regen like having clarity is important. Because you should never let it cap and be spending your mana on off heals, roots, stuns, blind, etc. Not to mention you'd have to sacrifice other stats. So the salty Antonican is the one who lacks wisdom.

[Wallicker]

If I’m twisting 3 dots I’m solo charming without fear and doing wayyyy more dmg than you, if it’s to high lvl to charm I’m twisting 4 dots with snare and again doing wayyy more dmg than you with weapons. In a group I twist songs based on group composition, monsters in camp, mob type, whether I’m pulling or not and if I’m CCing or not. In 99% of situations having instruments out is the superior choice idk what to tell you... maybe you are just destined to be a suboptimal bard. Hell you already wondered why I would have high resists - Do you even bard bro?

[Hazek]

Originally Posted by Wallicker [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You lost me at high regen is situational

I run groups with a cleric, enchanter, pally, then raw DPS like mage, warrior, monk, or rogue if I can find one. And in that group nobody takes damage except for me because I root adds and mostly single pull. The only other person that takes minimal damage is the enchanter when charm breaks because I root mezzes and occasional pops. So in that group your regen would be next to useless and I can chain pull without it. Therefore, your regen fetish is situational because it depends on the group composition and pulls.

And that's besides the fact that you could still use a lute during downtime and twist heal song while meleeing.

[Hazek]

Originally Posted by Wallicker [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If I’m twisting 3 dots I’m solo charming without fear and doing wayyyy more dmg than you, if it’s to high lvl to charm I’m twisting 4 dots with snare and again doing wayyy more dmg than you with weapons. In a group I twist songs based on group composition, monsters in camp, mob type, whether I’m pulling or not and if I’m CCing or not. In 99% of situations having instruments out is the superior choice idk what to tell you... maybe you are just destined to be a suboptimal bard. Hell you already wondered why I would have high resists - Do you even bard bro?

All you do is make baseless claims without evidence or logic.

You don't get your two main dots until 38 and 46 which I already mentioned.

Grouping is different than soloing so it depends which one we're talking about.

And its a fact that stacking resists is stupid until you raid. Just like the idea of only soloing caster mobs since the majority mobs are melee.

So show us a video of you playing your bard lol. I already showed you mine. OBS is easy so you have no excuse. Lets see what a "pro" bard looks like.

[Wallicker]

In that group, YOU, the puller should be challenging the group with more mobs, at that point it wouldn’t matter what songs I played lol. Dude bard DPS sucks... you realize a bard can mana free dot at 236dmg per tic with instruments at lvl 50 right? That’s close to 40 DPS. You aren’t even going to do half of that meleeing. PS one of those dots doubles as a slow, one debuffs AC FR CR MR respectively so melee and nukes do more damage, your roots last longer (who roots a pet break removing dps for a while when you could stun you suck at Paladin too). Just GTFO here lol, let’s both log on bards and duel you use weapons (outside an epic)and I’ll use instruments. You gear up with hp and I’ll gear up resists. Or let’s do some challenging group or solo content on a bard for an hour and see who prevails.