Verant Logic: Necromancer vs Magician

[Gustoo]

Also its worth noting that all the people not on this list (melee) are better in longer PVP bouts when decently geared, as the mana dependent end up having a shorter maximum fightspan as there is nothing like a fungi + so many variety of heals to make MANA come back.

Bard being the exception running rampant in outdoor zones indefinitely.

So as always, PVP makes the game balanced and 1000% better. The casters PVE efficacy versus the melees PVP endurance potential.

[Cecily]

I've spent a lot of time thinking about how absurd it is to have two people run at, swing and run past each other with swords. You know? Like they used to do in the old days, on horses.

It's impossible to take EQ PvP seriously, beyond its exceptional grief mechanics.

[starkind]

low level-1-40 untwinked ffa pvp is a lot of silly fun because its goofy af cecily thats why

it's not about griefing if ur griefing ppl on a pvp server you are 'mad'

people get called griefers all the time, but they are not really griefing they are just having fun

'lot of but' in this post but i can't fucking help it right now i'm decompensating again

[Jimjam]

Originally Posted by starkind [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

low level-1-40 untwinked ffa pvp is a lot of silly fun because its goofy af cecily thats why

it's not about griefing if ur griefing ppl on a pvp server you are 'mad'

people get called griefers all the time, but they are not really griefing they are just having fun

'lot of but' in this post but i can't fucking help it right now i'm decompensating again

Fuck, did you kill someone?

[starkind]

I did [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

they denied it and said they killed themselves tho

[Cecily]

Excuse me. Killing someone and sending them on a corpse run is a grief mechanic. Killing someone and looting their items is a grief mechanic. Training someone is a grief mechanic

PVP is fundamentally (or at least on a very significant level) about causing grief to another person IRL through in game actions. It's fueled by schadenfreude in MMOs in a way you don't see in other competitive games. Not saying that's a bad thing. It's usually pretty funny. This is a view point coming a griefer.

[starkind]

I never intentionally kill anyone. The only times I really go for the killshot is when I'm outnumber and there's really no way out.

Usually if its a 1v1 honor duel or something I just joust until they win or I get them low enough they will concede, in that case I help bandage them up and either help them exp or go on their way.

Not everyone that pvps is a complete monster.

[starkind]

Originally Posted by starkind [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I never intentionally kill anyone. The only times I really go for the killshot is when I'm outnumber and there's really no way out.

Usually if its a 1v1 honor duel or something I just joust until they win or I get them low enough they will concede, in that case I help bandage them up and either help them exp or go on their way.

Not everyone that pvps is a complete monster.

1 more caveat, if I'm with a team, then I'm defending my team and it's my duty to kill the hostile aggressors, I usually support my group, even if say I group with <Guild Killaz> one day and <Guild Flower Children> the next I will switch sides, I'm loyal to my guild mates in the moment.

Rarely go out of my way to travel across the world denying pixels tho to another guild or anything like that I just like goofin.

There is no reason you have to play pvp like it's DKP dragon kill quest FTE lawyerworld. You can pvp without fighting. Like you do in pvE and all the time with your rules. And GMs and Elfcourts.

[Ovaltine]

Originally Posted by starkind [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Not everyone that pvps is a complete monster.

My group did encounter one of these monsters when trying red. Just hanging out killin stuff in MM GY, a lv 30 or 35 troll SK with a Reaver and prenerf CoS started attacking us. It was truly amazing to see a high-end EQ1 pvp'er in action. None of us had see invis so he was phasing in and out of existence with the CoS and swingin that reaver. Was really cool to see. Killed us quick. One groupmate called that loot n scoot but still grouped in MM killing mobs. I get that rules are rules, but that SK went full tard in general chat about loot n scoot and that the person was breaking the rules etc. After all that none of us logged in again and alas, the red population went from 40 to 36.

Thank you to the druid with the flower name for tryin tho.

[starkind]

Originally Posted by Ovaltine [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

My group did encounter one of these monsters when trying red. Just hanging out killin stuff in MM GY, a lv 30 or 35 troll SK with a Reaver and prenerf CoS started attacking us. It was truly amazing to see a high-end EQ1 pvp'er in action. None of us had see invis so he was phasing in and out of existence with the CoS and swingin that reaver. Was really cool to see. Killed us quick. One groupmate called that loot n scoot but still grouped in MM killing mobs. I get that rules are rules, but that SK went full tard in general chat about loot n scoot and that the person was breaking the rules etc. After all that none of us logged in again and alas, the red population went from 40 to 36.

Thank you to the druid with the flower name for tryin tho.

I agree red be like that especially after all these years there's like permanently 10 players there that is all they are locked into, they tunnel vision into that mode of gameplay.

That exists in greater numbers on blue and green though, just in different ways (in my opinion).

My takeaway - ignore those people, eventually they will go away or you will overpower them.

There are permantly worn see invis items and stuff. Consider him the dragonlord of MM - back in the day item loot would have even rewarded you for teaming up and defeating him eventually, it is possible. Some people have absolutely no sense of sportsmanship and can't bother not to use their superpowers or toys. These demons exist everywhere. At least with pvp ya'll can get bracers of the hidden or those helms with truesight and stuff and go back and get him on either a de-leveled toon or alt twinks. It happens, and it's glorious when it does.

I'm not a particularly vengeful person, a lot of people don't want to spend that much effort just to win or do something in MM and I also respect that. I have spent an equal number of nights in MM by myself, and an equal number out maneuvering these guys as well though. Play the game how you want. Some people enjoy that challenge too.