Lord Nagafen & Lady Vox status (post 52 restriction)

[Tunarian]

It's shit like this that ran off new players and still does. It's shit like this that caused the overuse of instances. We all loved raiding back in the day but only a select few were able to get into the elite guilds. This caused developers to create instances, this caused us to hate these games, and ultimately caused us to play on this server again.

And now here we are, doing the same fucking shit we always did. Why are people not learning? Let some of the lower tier guilds raid so the "sandbox" loving playerbase will grow and it might be feasible for a devloper to target us as a market again. Big picture people.

Think outside the fuckin' bun.

[CHusk2]

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That, my friend, deserves a beer.

[HallygukRZ]

You are right Tunarian. Unfortunately, that's the human nature.
Video games are nothing but a projection of reality, with a spice of anonymity.

[choklo]

Originally Posted by Tunarian [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It's shit like this that ran off new players and still does. It's shit like this that caused the overuse of instances. We all loved raiding back in the day but only a select few were able to get into the elite guilds. This caused developers to create instances, this caused us to hate these games, and ultimately caused us to play on this server again.

And now here we are, doing the same fucking shit we always did. Why are people not learning? Let some of the lower tier guilds raid so the "sandbox" loving playerbase will grow and it might be feasible for a devloper to target us as a market again. Big picture people.

Think outside the fuckin' bun.

This is likely the top reason people will lose interest in this server. The end game is unavailable to everyone not in TMO or TR.

[Chokan]

Originally Posted by choklo [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This is likely the top reason people will lose interest in this server. The end game is unavailable to everyone not in TMO or TR.

I'm leaning toward agreeing with this. Being a new player myself, I'm looking forward to eventually doing my epic quest when they put them in. How will this be possible if no one can kill dragons but a select few?

[Bruman]

Originally Posted by choklo [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This is likely the top reason people will lose interest in this server. The end game is unavailable to everyone not in TMO or TR.

That's just flat-out not true. In this game, yes - right now, if you're interested in certain raid targets, yes, you need to join one of those two guilds. But what guild is at the top will change. It'll be in flux. Someone starting a new toon right now has no concern of this at all.

And even then, when you do start being interested in raiding - there's still lots of raiding to do that is open to many many guilds.

Everyone is acting like not being able to kill...what? 4-6 certain NPCs? anytime you want means the game is worthless. There's still 60 levels of content, that's going to take you many many days/weeks of /played to reach, several other raid zones and raid targets, and guess what! If you gotta get your dragon on after all that time, both TMO and TR are still taking applicants. You can join them and go raid with them.

If you think you've seen everything else by now, you're level 60, nothing else interests you - then take a break until Hole / VP / epics come out, and when you're bored then, take a break until SoV comes out.

I have fun raiding with my guild. It doesn't matter what our target is. We'll get to dragons when it doesn't require my to toss my daughter in a closest. And ya know what, even if TR had every single dragon on lock-down for the life of the server? I still wouldn't care. I have fun doing other things in game. I'd like to kill some dragons, but it's not the end of the world folks. It's a large game. Go make friends and have fun together.

[Shiftin]

^^ That. The "OMG there's nothing to do on this server because of TR/TMO" is nonsense. Chardok royals, PoH/PoF, Phinny, Juggs/Reets... hell, the entire plane of sky is a series of incresingly difficult raid targets and perfect for teaching people raid mechanics in EQ. Considering how much of the devs focus is on epics, we can't be that far out from those quests which have a ton of small-medium triggered raids to do with your guildmates.

If we ever have simulated patch days again, you will have 3-4 non TR/TMO guilds competing for the classic targets TR/TMO save till the end.

[aerah]

Originally Posted by Chokan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'm leaning toward agreeing with this. Being a new player myself, I'm looking forward to eventually doing my epic quest when they put them in. How will this be possible if no one can kill dragons but a select few?

They will complete their epics the same way people did in live, by purchasing the right to loot items or those very items from people who no longer need them or putting together groups/alliances that can kill the targets. Just fyi - epics were supposed to be so people could do harder encounters, not so they could camp 4rooms/crypt/karnors/wtf ever else casuals do.

Shiftin has the right of it in the end. Although there isn't a ton of mid-tier raiding available in Classic/Kunark, come velious there's significantly more. PoG/ToV East and West/Kael/SkyShrine/Siren's Grotto/West Wastes/Velks Lab all have raid-friendly targets that are not bleeding edge.

You argue that it's the "all or nothing" mentality that ruined MMOs with instancing, I argue that it's the whining and sense of entitlement that drove the devs to instancing that ruined them. No one likes competition, they think because (in live) they paid their 10 bucks a month they deserved to get anything and everything handed to them. "I at least deserve the chance..." - yeah you have the chance. Put forth the effort that it takes to find like minded people and build a cohesive unit. Or join a guild that already is that, and pay your dues when you first join.

The only part of classic that people like this bring with them is the whining that it's not fair they can't kill Nagafen, they can't see Trakanon, they have to live vicariously through screenshots to see VP.

[Slathar]

Originally Posted by aerah [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

.... Put forth the effort that it takes...

i was with you till i read this. the only effort EQ takes is an enormous and borderline-psychotic amount of time. thats it. that is the secret of raiding in a non-instanced mmorpg. the people who debate this fact are always the ones who probably are addicted to everquest (not trolling) to validate and defend their position.

[Bubbles]

Split the goddamn server already.

Bonus points if you put TMO/TR on their own private server, since there's 0 joy in EQ in having something if you can't lord it over others.