If you believe in god, you're an idiot...

[Messianic]

Anthony Flew, former Atheist

http://www.biola.edu/antonyflew/flew-interview.pdf

FLEW: I think that the most impressive arguments for God’s existence are those that are
supported by recent scientific discoveries. I’ve never been much impressed by the kalam
cosmological argument, and I don’t think it has gotten any stronger recently. However, I think
the argument to Intelligent Design is enormously stronger than it was when I first met it.


FLEW: (...) It seems to me that Richard Dawkins constantly overlooks the fact that
Darwin himself, in the fourteenth chapter of The Origin of Species, pointed out that his whole
argument began with a being which already possessed reproductive powers. This is the creature
the evolution of which a truly comprehensive theory of evolution must give some account.
Darwin himself was well aware that he had not produced such an account. It now seems to me
that the findings of more than fifty years of DNA research have provided materials for a new and
enormously powerful argument to design

This doesn't mean people are young-earth creationists - just because they're open to the idea of intelligent design. Anyone who's spent any real time debating or reading the academics in the field don't waste their time insulting people - they get right to the crux arguments. So get to them - and don't degrade others for having a belief you don't understand, particularly if you're not getting to the facts yourself, or perhaps don't really know them at all.

[Harrison]

What, copy/pasting/plagiarism from wikipedia isn't debate?! WTF?!!!11

[Messianic]

Originally Posted by Kassel [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I think a dual thread could be made that would seperate the idea of God and Religion. I think religion is horrible and used as a cruch for mass murder and shallow thougth. But thats just me and i dont care if you care/believe/poop in the woods.

It's true. God and Religion are very different things. Religion is centralized power, and centralized power is the initial catalyst for all oppression.

The idea of God and the choice to believe is present in every individual - religion requires collective coercion.

[yaaaflow]

Originally Posted by Boggwin Bramblefoot [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

84% of the people in the world believe in a religion.

this is the religon ranked by size
33% are christians
21% are Muslims
16% are nonreligous
14% are Hindus
6% are the many traditonal african religons
6% Chinese traditional religons
6% are Buddists
0.36% are sikism belivers
and the rest is other

http://www.adherents.com/Religions_By_Adherents.html

Population of the world:

6897390179

http://www.census.gov/main/www/popclock.html

number of people who believe in GOD...5793807750.36

Number who don't...965634625...not even 1 billion.

Outnumbered by over 5 to 1.

So sorry...you fail.

Scientology claims to have 8 million followers worldwide. Since they believe in a higher power (aliens) do they likewise fall under your 84% of the world's population that is right?

[rachel]

For one Bogg is a known troll. He had what a 20page thread months ago and at the end said I'm lying about everything haha trolled you. Than stated his friend and him were laughing so hard. HE"S A CHILD. he's probably atheist and just getting a kick out of this again.

Anyways, I don't believe god created anything. Neither does steven hawking. Kinda odd that the most int. people on the planet a huge majority of them don't believe either.

If there was any , and I mean any proof at all. I would second guess if a god existed.

What if there are MANY gods 10 or 400 or 9999999 of them?

When does space end ?

If this god created the universe. It doesn't care at all about humans or other beings. It doesn't show itself even though it could. It lets nature take it's course , will be the answer as to why so much pain is in the world believers will say. Why we were created with nerve endings and not a different form of signals to the brain.

There is no god, until proven. = There is 0 evidence of a god
There is tons of evidence for science.

I am glad people have hope in something to get them through life. I don't need too and I can not make myself believe a lie. It's impossible. Kids on my bus used to tease me at the age of 6 because I didn't believe in god. I just hope soon we can prove there is none. With all the evidence of HOW the universe was created without a god. They already have it ,, it's almost done. a few more years maybe for the fine details.

I can still be a morally better person than anyone that believes in god.

[rachel]

http://hubblesite.org/hubble_discoveries/dark_energy/

This is NASA's website. This is how NASA believes the universe was created. They are pretty close to smoothing out all the fine details.
That is why Stephan Hawking released his book.
They have enough evidence now that they know" FOR SURE' how the Universe was created.

[Ikkit]

Originally Posted by rachel [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

For one Bogg is a known troll. He had what a 20page thread months ago and at the end said I'm lying about everything haha trolled you. Than stated his friend and him were laughing so hard. HE"S A CHILD. he's probably atheist and just getting a kick out of this again.

Anyways, I don't believe god created anything. Neither does steven hawking. Kinda odd that the most int. people on the planet a huge majority of them don't believe either.

If there was any , and I mean any proof at all. I would second guess if a god existed.

What if there are MANY gods 10 or 400 or 9999999 of them?

When does space end ?

If this god created the universe. It doesn't care at all about humans or other beings. It doesn't show itself even though it could. It lets nature take it's course , will be the answer as to why so much pain is in the world believers will say. Why we were created with nerve endings and not a different form of signals to the brain.

There is no god, until proven. = There is 0 evidence of a god
There is tons of evidence for science.

I am glad people have hope in something to get them through life. I don't need too and I can not make myself believe a lie. It's impossible. Kids on my bus used to tease me at the age of 6 because I didn't believe in god. I just hope soon we can prove there is none. With all the evidence of HOW the universe was created without a god. They already have it ,, it's almost done. a few more years maybe for the fine details.

I can still be a morally better person than anyone that believes in god.

http://www.somethingawful.com/flash/shmorky/babby.swf

[Harrison]

Originally Posted by Messianic [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It's true. God and Religion are very different things. Religion is centralized power, and centralized power is the initial catalyst for all oppression.

The idea of God and the choice to believe is present in every individual - religion requires collective coercion.

That's the best response to that yet. I'm glad someone gets it.

Just because religion is wrong doesn't mean that a belief in some form of either intelligent design, or a deity of some sort, is "stupid".

[Messianic]

Originally Posted by rachel [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Kinda odd that the most int. people on the planet a huge majority of them don't believe either.

John Polkinghorne is a good friend of Stephen Hawkings'. He's one of the leading Quantum Physicists in the world. He is also an ordained Anglican priest. There are giants in the academic world who are theists, and there are giants who are non-theistic.

Well-credentialed people in the hard sciences tend to be agnostic or theist. Well-credentialed people in social sciences or humanities tend to be Atheist.

This:

There is no god, until proven.

Is probably one of the weakest arguments for Atheism. If you want to be a better atheist, there are better ways to approach it.

But the mere position "until you prove it to me, I choose to affirm the non-existence of any divine entity" is to affirm something without any evidence - the non-existence of a divine being.

You're better off remaining a hard agnostic, i.e. "I know that you can't know."

[Autotune]

84 pages of "No! You sir are wrong, and I am correct. Here read my copy/past from Google, it will prove my point."