Patch Notes July 05, 2010

[rioisk]

Haynar you take a lot of shit and everybody knows how much time you put into coding this stuff to be classic.

IMO you should have just left it the way it was. Wasn't as messed up as it is now. I mean, why nerf pets to "classic levels" without giving them the "sword of rune" bug? I mean....it's not classic power unless they're nerfed + have a persistent bug.

just my loving 2 cents

[finalgrunt]

Originally Posted by rioisk [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Haynar you take a lot of shit and everybody knows how much time you put into coding this stuff to be classic.

IMO you should have just left it the way it was. Wasn't as messed up as it is now. I mean, why nerf pets to "classic levels" without giving them the "sword of rune" bug? I mean....it's not classic power unless they're nerfed + have a persistent bug.

just my loving 2 cents

Pets aren't messed up, you can't say that. Just need to tune some stuff around that's all. When was the swords of runes proccing on everything fixed already? Can't remember.

[Reiker]

It reminds me of Vanguard, just opposite. On Vanguard half the cleric abilities were bugged, but they were compensated over time for a lot of their shit not working and they were balanced around it. But then in one patch they fixed all the broken shit, and then added even more shit, and you ended up with this completely broken class. Only the opposite is happening here, where only certain parts of "classic updates" are going in which is making pet classes perform less and less like classic.

Note: I don't even play a pet class.

[Aryane]

So I'm a low level necro. I just dinged level 12, mem'd my new pet, and excitedly cast it. Thus far I have gone through two stacks of bone chips and have yet to see a pet higher than light blue. I assume this is not working as intended.

[Kani]

Originally Posted by Aryane [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So I'm a low level necro. I just dinged level 12, mem'd my new pet, and excitedly cast it. Thus far I have gone through two stacks of bone chips and have yet to see a pet higher than light blue. I assume this is not working as intended.

I have a necro alt and experienced nearly the same thing a couple days ago. I chain casted 20 pets and all were either dblue or lblue. I've come to the conclusion after playing a couple more lvls, that I will never summon another even con pet.

And if it helps I was level 12 as well, using the level 12 pet spell.

[eqholmes]

Originally Posted by Haynar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Then code it up Mr. Smartypants.

I am so sick of the pet classes and their non stop whining. I think I will go work on some other classes for awhile.

Haynar

Sweet balls, I have a nerco but find him boring to be honest, and I agree pet classes need to stop bitching. Seriously nercos/mages should never whine, NEVER, and druid/shamans are the next ones on the list that can't bitch. The 2 most powerful solo classes in the game bitching? cmon!

If your going to help a class make it rangers, I should bitch because my ranger cant solo everything that a mage/nerco can. Thats a joke..... but in all seriousness I'm sick of mages/nercos crying about anything, we are by far the most powerful classes in the game, suck it up or go play a new game.

Holmes 50 Nerco DA
Gretzky 46 Ranger DA

[Qaedain]

You can still get an even con at level 12, they're just quite rare compared to the other levels you can summon.

This was how it was on live

[Arksa_Apocrypha]

Didn't read the entire thread and sorry if mentioned previously. Gems(the side game) was certainly not classic while functioning as intended buff times were.

Now to be fair I haven't played in a few weeks as I took a break because of that latter issue. If we are gonna be classic with mana regen times etc then buffs HAVE to last the intended period.
Gems SHOULD be excluded if we are going with the classic experience philosophy. Personally I do enjoy the return to challenge etc but not the lack of customization.

A tiny bit hypocritical to include Gems while forcing '99 graphics and customization and emu spell durations( I know it may be an issue with the client but so much else has been fixed why not buff lengths?)

My shiny 2 cps -)

[Schultes]

Bottom line is Necros and Mages always had sick pets! Soloing things all day that whole groups are fighting(Even after the freaking patch). Do you want proof to my claim? Simply check out The Oasis.
But come on why do this to Enchanters? I cant even freaking solo Blue camian without lossing my lvl 16 chanter pet with Quickness and buffed up. I dump all my mana in one croc then wait 20mins to med back up while i watch Necros kite all day and Mages solo Red crocs with the greatest of ease. Most of which are a much lower lvl then me!!!

It seems the main focus for the patch caught Enchanters in the cross fire. All i ask is please look into it.

[Haynar]

Originally Posted by Schultes [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Bottom line is Necros and Mages always had sick pets! Soloing things all day that whole groups are fighting(Even after the freaking patch). Do you want proof to my claim? Simply check out The Oasis.
But come on why do this to Enchanters? I cant even freaking solo Blue camian without lossing my lvl 16 chanter pet with Quickness and buffed up. I dump all my mana in one croc then wait 20mins to med back up while i watch Necros kite all day and Mages solo Red crocs with the greatest of ease. Most of which are a much lower lvl then me!!!

It seems the main focus for the patch caught Enchanters in the cross fire. All i ask is please look into it.

There is not much data on the enchanter pets. Like in how well they tank, dps they do, etc. The only comparison I would do is compared old world zones on live and see if I can get it close.

All pets probably need adjusted and I will need a few hours of parses to get it done. Its on my list of things to do.

I have no intention of moving backward. I do have plans to move forward. I would like to play my necro some more (since 2 boxing is not allowed on server *grumble). But I am not going to make changes only in my interest. I just need more data on what kind of dps pets are doing at various levels, and how much dps damage they are taking.

There is lots of talk about people who think they are contributing. Non-stop bitching just will cause me to /rude and make you wait longer. Squeaky wheels dont always get the grease in my book.

And for the people who think I should fix everything, before I make a single change. Well, you need to go work on your own server for awhile. Then you might figure out that making multiple changes affecting the same thing ends up going bad most of the time. Doing changes in stages, taking small steps, lets you see better what is working, and what isn't. Not all changes are simple. And many changes have unexpected side effects.

I am not just making little changes to the code. Some changes are big. Some are total rewrites in the code. Some changes are features that have never worked on EMU servers. Truthfully, I spend way more time researching, than I actually do coding. Some complicated things only need 1 line of code to fix. The real trick, is figuring out where that one line of code goes.

Haynar