All of you: Please vote for Donald Trump

[Lune]

Originally Posted by TarukShmaruk [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Meh I'm super stoked for Rand but if you've paid any attention to what the electoral map looks like it's basically impossible for an R to win right now.

Lefty propaganda saturation is at an all time high and Repubs can blame themselves for not getting off the anti-gay bandwagon sooner because that's one of the #1 gateway issues for young people who will then buy all the disastrous economic bullshit that goes along with leftism

Right wing economic policy anymore is just cutting taxes on corporations and appropriating money to defense spending. They don't even decrease government spending, they just spend differently, ie defense, medicare. You really think this isn't the kind of policy that has destroyed the middle class over the last 30~ years, since Reagan?

Oh yea, and "leftist welfare-state economies" like Germany, Sweden, Australia (before Abbott), Canada, Japan are such disasters right? Those countries perform better than the USA in nearly every way except sheer economic size and military might, and some of them have things like basic income, nearly free tuition, universal medical care, reasonable work culture, labor laws, etc. You see, it turns out that when your government invests in and protects people, instead of actively tries to plunder and exploit them, people thrive.

Americans really deserve everything that has happened since Reagan, just for voting so conservative over the years.

"Socialism never took root in America because the poor see themselves not as an exploited proletariat but as temporarily embarrassed millionaires."

-John Steinbeck

[Samoht]

Originally Posted by Pringles [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You can't buy this kind of advertising the media is giving him for basically free. I fully expect once he's finished advertising himself / his brand, that he will withdraw.

Yeah, but what is he actually getting from it. He's alienating advertisers and networks left and right. He's already removed his name from his casinos, the ones he already didn't even own any more. The only thing it's doing is getting people talking about him, and he's not getting any royalties from that.

Remind me what exactly his brand even is in 2015?

[Lune]

Right wing economic policy is rooted in the antiquated idea that freeing capital for investment fuels growth and prosperity for everyone. That used to be a lot more true than it is today, because of the way the financial industry has evolved.

It doesn't pan out quite like that when we have depressed wages, and a lot of that investment goes into other economies elsewhere in the world who directly compete with domestic industry, speculative lending schemes, and economic bubbles. A lot of the tax breaks over the last few decades have gone into nothing more than companies who outsourced labor and ramped up their bribery of the US political system to ensure that labor laws and economic conditions in the US remained sycophantic to oligarchic interests.

Originally Posted by Samoht [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yeah, but what is he actually getting from it. He's alienating advertisers and networks left and right. He's already removed his name from his casinos, the ones he already didn't even own any more. The only thing it's doing is getting people talking about him, and he's not getting any royalties from that.

Remind me what exactly his brand even is in 2015?

He's probably going the Kim Kardashian / Sarah Palin route and trying to cash in on fame, likely wants his own show or a nice book deal. He's also performing a service for the RNC by running interference leading up to the campaign. People who think he's harming the Republican brand are clueless; he's distracting from all the other issues that cause negative attention for Republican candidates... which is almost every issue, and refocusing the discussion on one of the few issues where Republicans find bipartisan support among both the young and old, immigration. It's no wonder he's polling so high.

[Lojik]

I don't disagree about defense spending needing to be cut, but good luck getting a candidate elected who runs on that platform: too many people work either for the dod or some subcontracting firm.

As far as the other things, higher corporate tax rates just mean businesses relocate elsewhere, and a lot of what makes outsourcing so profitable is that unions here priced themselves out of a lot of international labor markets. How many American sailors these days? How many shipping companies incorporated in the usa?

[Patriam1066]

https://www.opensecrets.org/politici...&cid=n00000019

We can expect some excellent socialistic policies from her I bet. Being a wholly owned subsidiary of banks is great!!!!!

And Lune, imma let you finish, but Japan's economy is based on selling us products, and Australia's was based on exporting copper and iron to China during their massive construction boom. Neither country has been anything other than centrist.

Switzerland is what I'd like to have. A government that is pretty much a joke other than public transportation, maternity leave, etc. in other words, local essentials. Everything else there can happen through a national referendum. They're pretty centrist.
Left wing and right wing suck ass. When you stop making smart decisions because of your emotionally held beliefs, you're an idiot. Look at democrats fighting uber. Look at republicans fighting Tesla's direct sale model. Both are done for reasons that aren't actually beneficial to the American consumer.

[Samoht]

Originally Posted by Lojik [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I don't disagree about defense spending needing to be cut, but good luck getting a candidate elected who runs on that platform: too many people work either for the dod or some subcontracting firm.

As far as the other things, higher corporate tax rates just mean businesses relocate elsewhere, and a lot of what makes outsourcing so profitable is that unions here priced themselves out of a lot of international labor markets. How many American sailors these days? How many shipping companies incorporated in the usa?

Yeah, no. Not every state has unions, yet for some reason companies in states even without them still outsource every chance they get.

Unions are not the cause you are looking for. It's just a buzzword. You probably have too much Glenn Beck or Rush Limbaugh in your life.

[Lune]

Originally Posted by Lojik [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I don't disagree about defense spending needing to be cut, but good luck getting a candidate elected who runs on that platform: too many people work either for the dod or some subcontracting firm.

As far as the other things, higher corporate tax rates just mean businesses relocate elsewhere, and a lot of what makes outsourcing so profitable is that unions here priced themselves out of a lot of international labor markets. How many American sailors these days? How many shipping companies incorporated in the usa?

It's part of a lax tax code that refuses to pursue tax evasion. If you do business in the USA, you should pay US taxes, whether you are incorporated here or in the Virgin Islands. Whether outsourcing was profitable or not shouldn't matter; companies that outsourced should have been penalized, not subsidized. In instances where free market forces are harmful to all but the oligarchy, the government should step in. Unfortunately, financial institutions are this century's railroad companies and oil/mineral tycoons, and they own the government.

Believe it or not, there are places where the government isn't owned by corporations, and business still thrives.

Just look at what Toby Abbott is doing to Australia, bringing American style politics to their system. The entire country is regressing and spiraling into the gutter while mining and energy companies line their pockets. It's fucking disgusting.

[maskedmelon]

Originally Posted by Samoht [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

yet for some reason companies in states even without them still outsource every chance they get.

Examples? Let's see if we can figure this out together ^^

[Samoht]

Originally Posted by maskedmelon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Examples? Let's see if we can figure this out together ^^

Dell.

[maskedmelon]

Originally Posted by Samoht [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Dell.

Where are they based and to what unionized state do they outsource to?