My experience with a raid guild on P99

[skarlorn]

pro tip don't raid video games it's a stupid trick for addicts just level up and have fun then help your friends level up then quit when it gets boring.

[Lhancelot]

Originally Posted by Loke [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You say you want to experience high end content, and that is what raid guilds are good at. If you want to make friends, the guild isn't going to help you with that.. you're on your own there. Simply sharing a guild tag with 150 other people doesn't automatically make them your friends.

You mention people "thirsting for loot" and "forgetting about common decency".. care to expand on that with specific examples? Most guild loot distribution is pretty fair from what I've noticed. If you're talking about non-raid farm groups and stuff, maybe you should look at it from their perspective. I don't farm cash camps because I like it, I do it because there is shit I want. Farming is like a job. If I showed up to your job, wasn't needed, and contributed very little, and then asked for 1/2 your paycheck, you'd probably find that unreasonable. That is what it is like when you expect to be included in some stranger's farm group simply because you share a tag.

Want to make friends? Start your own shit. No one likes and unnecessary mooch, but everyone likes someone who gets things going. Asking for help when it only benefits you makes you look greedy, but asking for help when the people helping can get something out of it is going to make you a popular guy. Most people are going to exclude you when they're farming because they don't want to be an ass and tell you they don't need you, and you'd just cut into the efficiency of what they're trying to do (e.g. get a specific item, or make some plat), but I doubt they'd care if you let them know you just wanted to hang out and didn't care about the loot.

I personally don't think it is inherently greedy to not want some random new guy to cut into your bottom line when you're trying to farm. We all need plat and all want new items, and if you expect to be included you need to bring something to the table. I've been duoing with friends and had some random person hit me up asking if we wanted to team up and take a harder camp with better loot... doing that made sense and the player asking was bringing something to the table. If that person had just been like "hey, want to unnecessarily turn your duo into a trio?" I'd have probably told them to kick rocks.

Your issue seems to be that you expect others to make sacrifices for you simply because you share a guild tag, when what you should really be doing is finding ways to make yourself a valued addition. Raid guilds deal with raiding.. make yourself valuable on raids and you're kosher as far as the guild is concerned. If you want to make friends and get included in non-raid stuff though, you have to give people a reason to include you.

Nah man. You are missing my point in many different ways, and I understand farming for items, making money, come on... I get all that. You are going all over the place here and thinking you understand my concerns and issues with the guild, but you are off base here.

I understand all of what you described, I have no trouble getting money for items, farming for items, etc., etc. I have everything I own due to my own diligence and time invested in the game. I aint the richest player, but I am not a poor fellow either.

Again, I also have no trouble finding people to do stuff with. It's not hard. What is hard is when you try to do stuff with people in an established guild that all seem to have their own established groups and pals who they only group with for their own personal agendas.

I joined the guild for a richer experience socially that involved raiding higher end content, I did not find this personally with this guild. That's pretty much it.

Your point of sharing a guild tag with 150 others and it not making them your friends is on point though, and that's one thing I personally am at fault with for not realizing. For some reason I thought that being tagged with others meant I was working towards bettering not just myself but others who may not be "friends", but who were guildies and I thought that meant something. A bit idealistic, and naive on my part. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[picklefixer]

Originally Posted by ZiggyTheMuss [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I think we might be in the same guild! Also, seeing members fawn over the token fat chick in the guild is so cringeworthy. Meh, when I joined the server three months ago I think I had an idea like you "oh cool I get to go on raids now like I never had time to on live, it shouldn't be hotly contested or anything in this old game... Right?"

I had this same idealistic thinking about 6 years ago when I installed P99...but in my defense I had hit the crack pipe pretty hard just before hand...so you know.

I have not even seen a Dragon yet...although i came close once when i got AoE Feared by the one in EJ...i think.

Just now coming back from a 1 year /afk...ain't shit changed but the time my friends!

<Insert SweetAss Sig Here>
Mrtwig 60 Druid

[Lhancelot]

Originally Posted by picklefixer [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I had this same idealistic thinking about 6 years ago when I installed P99...but in my defense I had hit the crack pipe pretty hard just before hand...so you know.

I have not even seen a Dragon yet...although i came close once when i got AoE Feared by the one in EJ...i think.

Just now coming back from a 1 year /afk...ain't shit changed but the time my friends!

<Insert SweetAss Sig Here>
Mrtwig 60 Druid

That's pretty much how it is. Depending on the person, the experience is going to be different. I originally had this idea that the guild was bad, then I thought ok, no, I am bad, and now I understand it's neither.

It's how I perceive and process the experience whether it is bad or not.

I think sometimes, a person can alter how one processes an experience, while other times it's just impossible or not worth the effort in changing how things are processed.

Like my UK buddy says, I can't be "assed" to change how I process this experience, it's just better for me if I stick with how I already process things and enjoy them.

Gonna keep my eyes open for a smaller guild to join, and in the mean while just play and group up, XP, etc., like I always did before which is what I enjoy most on this game.