Awakened Banned 10 days

[dafier]

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[Breaken]

No one is deflecting blame. We simply stated the fact that your guild, including your guild leader, does it also. But that probably wasn't mentioned in the petition. No worries, as we have these videos.

[dafier]

Originally Posted by Breaken [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

No one is deflecting blame. We simply stated the fact that your guild, including your guild leader, does it also. But that probably wasn't mentioned in the petition. No worries, as we have these videos.

Sirken,

Please take note. The is probably the best post in this thread.

Miss you,

[Vianna]

Originally Posted by Breaken [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

No one is deflecting blame. We simply stated the fact that your guild, including your guild leader, does it also. But that probably wasn't mentioned in the petition. No worries, as we have these videos.

Then share the videos for everyone to see. This is just more posturing from a poorly run guild.

[kotton05]

Thing is, the burden of proof has to be there and it's been proven awakened will cheat / train / rule lawyer anyone out of pixels if need be.

basically you guys are the lance armstong of p99. You've won your races/pixels but in the end you was cheating. All your wins don't mean shit now.

What's more interesting is how all the sudden they got proof of aftermath doing it but in the video you will prolly see awakened still breaking the rules so you won't post or use them if I had to bet[You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] also Refer to unbrellas statute of limitations regarding petitions, you don't got shit.

[Daldaen]

Originally Posted by Vianna [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Then share the videos for everyone to see. This is just more posturing from a poorly run guild.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=PUQd1kevYqk

Note how Mistin's screen lags out, lowering his FPS at the 4-way when he jumps off the center pillar, and at the Aaryonar drop and at the ramp down to Vulak 4-way.

Sometimes people mean what they say.

[Vianna]

Originally Posted by Daldaen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=PUQd1kevYqk

Note how Mistin's screen lags out, lowering his FPS at the 4-way when he jumps off the center pillar, and at the Aaryonar drop and at the ramp down to Vulak 4-way.

Sometimes people mean what they say.

Uhm no. In that video you see no alt+tab occurring. If you watch any race by Hjial you see the screen quickly swap when he alt+tab jumps. All that video shows is a player legitimately running competing against a guy alt+tabbing.

[khanable]

Originally Posted by Vianna [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Uhm no. In that video you see no alt+tab occurring. If you watch any race by Hjial you see the screen quickly swap when he alt+tab jumps. All that video shows is a player legitimately running competing against a guy alt+tabbing.

Naw there is alt-tabbing happening there. You don't need to actually alt+tab - anything that makes EQ lose focus (ie, the foreground window) will cause a dip in FPS, which allows the exploits to happen.

Notice the mouse pointer coming in/out.

[Junias]

Originally Posted by Vianna [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Uhm no. In that video you see no alt+tab occurring. If you watch any race by Hjial you see the screen quickly swap when he alt+tab jumps. All that video shows is a player legitimately running competing against a guy alt+tabbing.

Yes, totally legit run. I often move my cursor off screen right before I jump and my FPS plummets. 100% normal.

Alt-tab is the same as clicking off a window is the same as dragging a window. All exploits.

[Ella`Ella]

Originally Posted by Vianna [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Then share the videos for everyone to see. This is just more posturing from a poorly run guild.

He doesn't have the petition. Actually, the petition was just a request to make this stop on all sides from ALL guilds - Awakened just kept doing it and then finally got caught by staff and then was validated by player fraps. In fact, the petition said specifically "I am not trying to get anyone in trouble, I just want this to stop all around". This followed a conversation Detoxx had with Breaken where they both acknowledged it was happening and Breaken blessed it as fair game.

The problem with Awakened is that they have a "it's not illegal if you don't get caught mentality" and it's been this way since their days as Taken. My best example goes back to Catherin and Auto-Fire, but there are countless examples. I've even spoken to Awakened members that make a case saying that "It doesn't matter if we eat a 10 day suspension - Sirken doesn't delete loot anymore, so we can do whatever we want for an entire raid cycle and then worst case scenario we lose one cycle" - this is actually from a conversation which I had with an old friend of mine and one of their top FTErs.

The mentality trickles down from the leadership to the players, trying to gain the edge at whatever expense. It's no longer about actually getting the mob it's more about the satisfaction of getting away with murder.

If you read this thread, there are no Awakened members criticizing Hijal for using a tactic they knew was manipulative and exploitative, they're simply attacking Aftermath for "Doing it, too". And, that's the problem as it was, as it is, and how it will continue to be.